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Comment by JanBodh on October 5, 2014 at 7:38pm
Thankyou Joan
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 5, 2014 at 11:47am

JanBodh, it is a great pleasure to see you post on Origins, and on Atheist Nexus. We have much to learn from you. Superstition has no place in modern culture, even as we do value history, and enjoy mythology as fiction. You have a particularly difficult environment in which to live with all the ancient traditions that come from India. Know you have people who stand with you, even as you see or hear so little in you homeland. 

Comment by JanBodh on October 5, 2014 at 11:27am
I want to make educated people aware, so that they embrace atheism and discard superstitious beliefs.
Comment by JanBodh on October 5, 2014 at 11:26am
Dear friends i would like to share the meaning of my username with you all.
"in Hindi 'Jan' means 'people' and 'Bodh' means 'knowledge' or 'make aware', i.e. People awareness."
Comment by JanBodh on October 4, 2014 at 7:46am
@Joan Denoo yes it's Hindi
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 4, 2014 at 5:09am

@JanBodh, thank you for a sampling of Indian poet Ramdhari Singh "Dinkar. Indian alphabet is so pretty. Is this Hindi? 

He writes of strength that underlies gentleness.

Tolerance, forgiveness and clemency
Are respected by the world
Only when the glow of strength
From behind them is unfurled 

Comment by JanBodh on October 4, 2014 at 4:58am
@Joan Denoo
Shakti aur Kshama (Strength and Mercy)

कवि: रामधारी सिंह "दिनकर"

Poet: Ramdhari Singh "Dinkar" Translation: the maVerick
क्षमा, दया, तप, त्याग, मनोबल
सबका लिया सहारा
पर नर व्याघ सुयोधन तुमसे
कहो कहाँ कब हारा?

Kshama, daya, tap, tyaag, manobal
Sabka liya sahara
Par nar vyagh Suyodhan tumse
Kaho kahan kab haara?

Mercy, resolve, tact, tolerance
You've tried everything and some
But o my king of men
When did Suyodhan succumb?


क्षमाशील हो ॠपु-सक्षम
तुम हुये विनीत जितना ही
दुष्ट कौरवों ने तुमको
कायर समझा उतना ही

Kshamasheel ho rrpu-saksham
Tum huye vineet jitna hi
Dusht Kauravon ne tumko
Kaayar samjha utna hi

The more forgiving you were
In your humane compassion
The more these rouge Kauravas
Pegged you as cowardly ashen


अत्याचार सहन करने का
कुफल यही होता है
पौरुष का आतंक मनुज
कोमल होकर खोता है

Atyachar sahan karne ka
Kufal yahi hota hai
Paurush ka aatank manuj
Komal hokar khota hai

This is the consequence
Of tolerating atrocities
The awe of machismo is lost
When one's gentle n kindly


क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को
जिसके पास गरल है
उसका क्या जो दंतहीन
विषरहित विनीत सरल है

Kshama shobhti us bhujang ko
Jiske paas garal hai
Uska kya jo dantheen
Vishrahit vineet saral hai

Forgiveness is becoming of
The serpent that's got venom
None cares for the toothless,
Poisonless, kind, gentle one


तीन दिवस तक पंथ मांगते
रघुपति सिंधु किनारे
बैठे पढते रहे छन्द
अनुनय के प्यारे प्यारे

Teen divas tak panth mangte
Raghupati sindhu kinare
Baithey padhtey rahey chhand
Anunay ke pyaare pyaare

For three days Lord Raam kept
Asking the ocean for a passage
Sitting there he petitioned
Using the sweetest words to engage


उत्तर में जब एक नाद भी
उठा नही सागर से
उठी अधीर धधक पौरुष की
आग राम के शर से

Uttar mein jab ek naad bhi
Utha nahi saagar se
Uthi adheer dhadhak paurush ki
Aag raam ke shar se

When in response there was
Not a whisper from the sea
A raging fire of endeavor
Rose from Raam's body


सिंधु देह धर त्राहि-त्राहि
करता आ गिरा शरण में
चरण पूज दासता गृहण की
बंधा मूढ़ बन्धन में

Sindhu deh dhar trahi-trahi
Karta aa gira sharan mein
Charan pooj daasta grrhan ki
Bandha moodh bandhan mein

The ocean took human-form
'N supplicated to Raam
Touched his feet, was subservient
A slave he had become


सच पूछो तो शर में ही
बसती है दीप्ति विनय की
संधिवचन सम्पूज्य उसीका
जिसमे शक्ति विजय की

Sach poochho to shar mein hi
Basti hai deepti vinay ki
Sandhivachan sampoojya usika
Jisme shakti vijay ki

Truth be told, it's in the quiver
That lies the gleam of modesty
Only his peace-talk is reputable
Who is capable of victory


सहनशीलता, क्षमा, दया को
तभी पूजता जग है
बल का दर्प चमकता उसके
पीछे जब जगमग है
Sahensheelta, kshama, daya ko
Tabhi poojta jag hai
Bal ka darp chamakta uskey
Peechhey jab jagmag hai
Tolerance, forgiveness and clemency
Are respected by the world
Only when the glow of strength
From behind them is unfurled
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 3, 2014 at 12:36pm

@JanBodh and those interested in political resistance, especially Indian writers resisting English colonialism.

For example: 

I am trying to find English versions of Ramdhari Singh Dinkar' prose and poetry. "He was a Ramdhari Singh was born on September 23, 1908 in a small village of Simariya in Bihar. He came off a poor Brahmin family. He studied, Sanskrit, Maithili, Bengali, Urdu and English literature. Dinkar was immensely influenced by some great poets like-Iqbal, Rabindranath Tagore, Keats and Milton. 

"Initially Ramdhari Singh was associated with the revolutionary movement in the Indian Freedom Movement. During this time he started writing his nationalist poetry as a revolutionary poet.But in his later part of life he followed Gandhaian ideology though he thought sometimes revenge is necessary for self protection."

Indian Nationalist Poets - Rashtrakavi

Comment by James M. Martin on September 21, 2014 at 6:20pm

@JanBodh, how are you going to counter the believer's argument that God is infinite, therefore the fact that the universe is infinite only proves God's existence. Well, sure, it is a bit "circular," but believers are mostly ignorant of the logical fallicies. I think this is why that Anglican archbishop said he sometimes has doubts. I didn't quit believing entirely and was only an agnostic until I applied logic to the proposition "God exists." Rational people and freethinkers know that the proposition has no supporting evidence soever for "Yes" and an enormous trove of data proving "No," I needn't adumbrate further for readers of A|N.

Comment by Joseph P on September 20, 2014 at 2:04pm

Doesn't prove anything, but nice little turn of phrase.  ^.^

 

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