ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by David Philip Norris on April 8, 2012 at 10:00pm

Back off, Denise, or I will be reporting you as well.

Comment by David Philip Norris on April 8, 2012 at 9:54pm

This has turned into a really hostile forum. I'm done.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:30pm

What we are experiencing now is just an experiment.  When do we decide that this experiment has failed and try something new?

If this is an experiment, then what are your controls?  I don't see them.

 

We are talking about evolution which would imply that some of us could possibly be more evolved than others.

And that's a blatantly stupid statement demonstrating your lack of understanding of Evolution, as well as being an ad hominem attack.  Can we stick to a rational argument?

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:23pm

To address your last two paragraphs, though ...

I don't know.  Considering that the Christian god (or any other analog) has so far failed to demonstrate his existence with anything approaching evidence, he's got so much to make up for.  Theories are formed by the accumulation of a preponderance of evidence.

Considering that the preponderance of the evidence that has so far been accumulated points to the non-existence of the Christian deity, he's not starting from zero ... but from a negative position.

 

He's freaking omniscient.  He's omnipotent.  Let him figure out what he has to do to prove dominance over the Earth.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 8:12pm

Ah, I see.  So, now you're going to attack me personally, rather than address things I've said.  Classy.

 

I've done plenty of things, but they have nothing to do with this discussion or the subject of this group.  Let's stick to the subject.  If you've got something to say in response to my points, then say it.  Otherwise, I have no interest in arguing with you anymore.

Your last two paragraphs, layered on top of your Hitler bullshit earlier, are making you look like a stealth-theist.  You know this site is for atheists only, right?

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:56pm

What does that have to do with the discussion thread or Origins in general?

 

I don't believe you can turn economics into a hard science, no matter how much you try.  You can't test it in a lab.  You can't run a control group.  You can't do repeatable experiments with controlled variables.  It's not a hard science, and it can't be.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:48pm

I may have missed something here. What was the original discussion topic? It seems some people are trying assert their dominance as best Hitler biographer. Fascinating, but is anything productive going to come out of this argument, or is it just a contest to see which primate gets to be top monkey?

It began with this:

 

Comment by chris tidman 9 hours ago
So if we vote for Darwinism we support the logic for a hierarchy of life forms, which is used to support the cast system, euthanasia of lesser beings, and differences in the treatment of different races. Pretty well what we have at the moment.
Creationists on the other hand recognize the equality of all humans.
I believe in both and that we are not alone in the universe. When you believe that, I think that you leave the door open for free thought.

... about 6 pages back in the comments.  It's on the top of page 7, as I type this.

It only switched off to Hitler after Chris won his Godwin Award, a few posts later:

 

Joseph.  Hitler was a Christian but also a Darwinist (call it evolutionist if you like) which is where he got his weird ideas about belonging to a super race and trying to move the process along by eliminating what he felt were the inferior.

Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:40pm

... or more to the point, connect that to the thing I said to which you're responding.

Comment by Wyatt on April 8, 2012 at 6:38pm
I may have missed something here. What was the original discussion topic? It seems some people are trying assert their dominance as best Hitler biographer. Fascinating, but is anything productive going to come out of this argument, or is it just a contest to see which primate gets to be top monkey?
Comment by Joseph P on April 8, 2012 at 6:38pm

@ Joseph P : Hitler got his idea of an Aryan Super race from Nietzsche, not Darwin.

Not following you.  How is that a comment upon anything I've said?  Explain further, please.

 

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