ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 3:30pm

First - The comment prior to Sam.... I take that as quite offensive.  I am a person without faith or belief in any god or god-like thing. 

 

Second - Sam... I already have all of his books.  He is one of my favorite authors.

Comment by Sam in WV on October 24, 2011 at 3:21pm
This vook by Victor Stenger has been recommended to me a number of times, so I will pass it along. 
Comment by Natalie A Sera on October 24, 2011 at 3:12pm
If you are open to believing things like quantum anything on an every-day scale, or negative or positive "energies" or reading someone's "electrical field" or any other kind of woo, you might as well believe in god. It works out to the same thing.
Comment by Rob Larson on October 24, 2011 at 2:50pm
If it might be wishful thinking or delusion, or it might be some complicated unproved hypothetical variant of quantum mechanics, I'd suggest Occam's Razor applies.
http://jimporto.wordpress.com/tag/religion/
Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 2:32pm

I will be pulling out my "Compendium of Quantum Physics" tonight to review quantum decoherence.

Thank you for letting me know.

Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 2:05pm
It sounds like I need to re-read some of my quantum mechanics books again....lol
Comment by Park Bierbower on October 24, 2011 at 2:02pm
I appreciate the response,terri, but ultimately the point is that there is a principle that explains something specific, and understanding that would qualify the remark at the end about dismissing claims of quantum influence. Instead of only keeping an open minds we should fill the ones we already have, then once they are full expand them to fill them some more. if you consider my opinion close minded, simply read up on my justification and we can discuss it further. Cheers!
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 24, 2011 at 1:50pm
Yes, it is important to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.
Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 1:44pm

I will be the first to acknowledge that I do not know everything about anything, but I also know that we as a people know very very very little about anything at all.  It is best, in my opinion again, too keep an open mind and not dismiss something bases on a word "quantum".  It is often overlooked that it not only researches the very small but it also focuses on the very large as well.

 

As one of my favorite sayings go, "Of course science doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop".

Comment by Park Bierbower on October 24, 2011 at 1:31pm
@ terri, I say this with no disrespect but I see quantum physics invoked too often where it doesnt belong, so I suggest looking up "quantum decoherence"to get a better understanding of why quantum physics does nothing to support claims of "quantum consciousness" or any such notions. More often than not people only hear the exciting and bizarre developments in the field and never gain a proper understanding of the fundamental principals, or even research methods, involved in experimentation. Typically study is done in a near vacuum state so wave functions dont collapse- that is, a state that is almost as unnatural as physically possible. The universe, and our world as we knowit, do not exist in this state, and that is why quantum mechanics isn't evident or prevalent in day to day life. A rule that I go by is that if quantum anything is invoked in an explanation for something other than sub atomic research, it is typically bullshit.
 

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