ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by John Secular Smith on July 12, 2011 at 12:30pm

I have said twice now, I think it is ethical to vote repeatedly in this popularity contest of a poll.  It isn't because "it is just an online poll."  The poll has set up rules, I'm following them.  Visit this page daily from now through August 8 to vote for your favorite from among six new designs. Then "endorse" your sticker by sharing it with your friends through Facebook and Twitter so they too can join in the fun. The sticker that earns the popular vote will be the one distributed to Ohio voters at the polls this November 8, 2011.

Please enter the voting page below and thank you for participating!

Please enter your Ohio ZIP code to vote


We are arguing over the bold section. The website itself tells me to vote repeatedly and to get my friends to do this. How in the world is it unethical to follow the rules set up by the website. The point in question is the ethics of getting friends to vote who aren't in the state. My question is: do all of us have something to lose or gain in this election? When you trample the Constitution, shouldn't all American citizens get involved? With the power the USA has in the world, shouldn't the world get involved when and where it can?

I reject their direction to keep this to Ohio only, because I need support from my friends outside the state to keep my state from doing something unethical. My ethics tell me to involve anyone and everyone I can to fight the good fight. I wouldn't feel I had acted as a soundly moral person had I NOT tried to get everyone else involved.

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 11:23am
The "anything goes" foundation is based on those who do not want their own behaviour called into question. Hicthens has had to combat this debate over and over....where do atheists get their ethic/morals if not from god.....Some of you make it a tough argument for him....JMO
Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:57am

Ok, I'm unethical.  I would much rather be unethical than, as Marx points out, be judgmental and call out the behavior of others, who I consider friends on this site, as sad and pathetic. 

 

So, I suppose that ethics are, in your mind, black and white.  If Hitler came to your door and asked if you were hiding Jews, you would have to tell him the truth.  Stealing tweezers is stealing.  If you can't tell the difference between that and and voting 3 times in an online poll, then I don't know what.

 

 

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:33am

Another question then?? Why do some Atheists find the need to always "compare" to religion to somehow justify anything? People in general have judgments, regardless of a religious or non-religious views. I find it much more serene to quit comparing. Atheism is not a "us against them"..

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 10:22am
Strength in unity!  Can't we all just get along here?  :P
Comment by Marx on July 12, 2011 at 10:21am
Thank you, Dr. Kellie.  I completely agree.  I think some folks need to put this in perspective.  Some of the comments posted here remind me of how judgmental a lot of religious people can be.  At the risk of sounding religious myself, I must say that I see no value in casting stones.
Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:15am
Hmmm, when one sticks by their morals, how is it a "high horse"...? What are the comparisions that distinguish the use of morals a "high or low, or any horse"?
Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:05am
I have been watching this exchange regarding the online vote, and for those of you on your moral high horses, I would encourage you to remember that this is an online vote for a STICKER.  Voting "fraudulently" is unethical?  Really?  Give me a break.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 12, 2011 at 7:52am

I have to agree with Stephan here. Whoever started the whole process obviously meant for out of staters to vote. It's like a porn company going online getting people to click the box marked "I'm over 18". They know darn well who's watching their stuff.

If they wanted ONLY people from Ohio to vote they knew darn well how to make sure only Ohio residents vote. This would be the only way to get people from outside of state to vote, yet wash their hands of legal responsibility.

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 7:36am
I voted for the secular sticker with the Ohio state shape on it.
 

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