ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 11:23am
The "anything goes" foundation is based on those who do not want their own behaviour called into question. Hicthens has had to combat this debate over and over....where do atheists get their ethic/morals if not from god.....Some of you make it a tough argument for him....JMO
Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:57am

Ok, I'm unethical.  I would much rather be unethical than, as Marx points out, be judgmental and call out the behavior of others, who I consider friends on this site, as sad and pathetic. 

 

So, I suppose that ethics are, in your mind, black and white.  If Hitler came to your door and asked if you were hiding Jews, you would have to tell him the truth.  Stealing tweezers is stealing.  If you can't tell the difference between that and and voting 3 times in an online poll, then I don't know what.

 

 

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:33am

Another question then?? Why do some Atheists find the need to always "compare" to religion to somehow justify anything? People in general have judgments, regardless of a religious or non-religious views. I find it much more serene to quit comparing. Atheism is not a "us against them"..

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 10:22am
Strength in unity!  Can't we all just get along here?  :P
Comment by Marx on July 12, 2011 at 10:21am
Thank you, Dr. Kellie.  I completely agree.  I think some folks need to put this in perspective.  Some of the comments posted here remind me of how judgmental a lot of religious people can be.  At the risk of sounding religious myself, I must say that I see no value in casting stones.
Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:15am
Hmmm, when one sticks by their morals, how is it a "high horse"...? What are the comparisions that distinguish the use of morals a "high or low, or any horse"?
Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:05am
I have been watching this exchange regarding the online vote, and for those of you on your moral high horses, I would encourage you to remember that this is an online vote for a STICKER.  Voting "fraudulently" is unethical?  Really?  Give me a break.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 12, 2011 at 7:52am

I have to agree with Stephan here. Whoever started the whole process obviously meant for out of staters to vote. It's like a porn company going online getting people to click the box marked "I'm over 18". They know darn well who's watching their stuff.

If they wanted ONLY people from Ohio to vote they knew darn well how to make sure only Ohio residents vote. This would be the only way to get people from outside of state to vote, yet wash their hands of legal responsibility.

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 7:36am
I voted for the secular sticker with the Ohio state shape on it.
Comment by John Secular Smith on July 12, 2011 at 6:12am

Actually, I've never had to delete cookies to vote again.  Apparently the JUST made that change.  And requiring zip codes in NO way limits voting, other than to Ohio.  And with no address info or anything else, it fails to be legitimate voting.

I still hold that online popularity contests to choose something that may not be Constitutional is not voting, and therefore I am ethically required to do whatever I can to keep a Constitutional choice. 

There is no honest way for the state to use majority rules to get around the Constitution.  When the state tramples my rights, I have to act against it.  I don't have the money for a court case, and even if I did the courts aren't on my side, as "God" somehow doesn't fail the Lemon test (although it obviously does).

And it isn't about my dislike of online polls, if this were a real vote it should at least be announced to the public, have places where people without the internet can vote, and require some tracking of individuals.  Internet polls are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. 

The cookie change may change that however, if they are actually trying to limit voting now.  (they are blocking my repeat votes now).

So, yes, while you sit on your high horse about an online poll, more unconstitutional crap gets the stamp of approval from the majority, and I get to live with it.

 

And my name is Stephan.  Not Stephen.

 

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