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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 13, 2011 at 2:40pm
The other stereotype atheists have is we're arrogant SOBs. Get over it already. We're human like everyone else and personally that's the way I like being looked at. Anyone thinking it's a big deal or morally wrong then DON'T do it. Otherwise don't push your values on everyone else. That's one of the reasons I'm proud admitting I'm an atheist. So those of you thinking you know better than everyone else, just give it a rest.
Comment by Susan Stanko on July 13, 2011 at 6:53am
So you would rather have Ohio have to pay up in attorney costs than have the poll "tainted".  The citizens of Ohio must be thanking you for that.
Comment by dr kellie on July 13, 2011 at 6:12am
Stephan, you are not wrong.  This is getting silly.  On la otra mano, it seems that some people like getting your name wrong.  Sometimes the lazy fight is the fun fight.
Comment by Kent on July 12, 2011 at 7:44pm
Alice,  Isn't it the same as discussing cheating?  A lot of believers have the misconception of Athiest lacking morals.  Why give them any ammunition, even though this is quite trivial. 
Comment by Alice on July 12, 2011 at 6:46pm
It's from the story of Percival, the holy grail and the fisher king and him coming back on his horse - the first time he comes he comes on his horse searching - but later when he is older he comes back and gets off his horse and walks with the people - then he finds the truth - it's a metaphor - basically - he learns to walk with the people - not see himself as special or more important - superior to others - but equal to others... :)

http://www.mcelhearn.com/perceval.html
Comment by Alice on July 12, 2011 at 6:14pm

Why is it taboo for some people, to discuss gaming an online pole for a sticker?

Comment by John Secular Smith on July 12, 2011 at 12:30pm

I have said twice now, I think it is ethical to vote repeatedly in this popularity contest of a poll.  It isn't because "it is just an online poll."  The poll has set up rules, I'm following them.  Visit this page daily from now through August 8 to vote for your favorite from among six new designs. Then "endorse" your sticker by sharing it with your friends through Facebook and Twitter so they too can join in the fun. The sticker that earns the popular vote will be the one distributed to Ohio voters at the polls this November 8, 2011.

Please enter the voting page below and thank you for participating!

Please enter your Ohio ZIP code to vote


We are arguing over the bold section. The website itself tells me to vote repeatedly and to get my friends to do this. How in the world is it unethical to follow the rules set up by the website. The point in question is the ethics of getting friends to vote who aren't in the state. My question is: do all of us have something to lose or gain in this election? When you trample the Constitution, shouldn't all American citizens get involved? With the power the USA has in the world, shouldn't the world get involved when and where it can?

I reject their direction to keep this to Ohio only, because I need support from my friends outside the state to keep my state from doing something unethical. My ethics tell me to involve anyone and everyone I can to fight the good fight. I wouldn't feel I had acted as a soundly moral person had I NOT tried to get everyone else involved.

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 11:23am
The "anything goes" foundation is based on those who do not want their own behaviour called into question. Hicthens has had to combat this debate over and over....where do atheists get their ethic/morals if not from god.....Some of you make it a tough argument for him....JMO
Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:57am

Ok, I'm unethical.  I would much rather be unethical than, as Marx points out, be judgmental and call out the behavior of others, who I consider friends on this site, as sad and pathetic. 

 

So, I suppose that ethics are, in your mind, black and white.  If Hitler came to your door and asked if you were hiding Jews, you would have to tell him the truth.  Stealing tweezers is stealing.  If you can't tell the difference between that and and voting 3 times in an online poll, then I don't know what.

 

 

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:33am

Another question then?? Why do some Atheists find the need to always "compare" to religion to somehow justify anything? People in general have judgments, regardless of a religious or non-religious views. I find it much more serene to quit comparing. Atheism is not a "us against them"..

 

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