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Comment by Richard H. McCargar on July 12, 2011 at 11:10am

When you fall to the point where you feel you may justify any action, no matter how insignificant, you no longer have ethics that the prevailing culture would recognize as such.

Turn your Jewish neighbors over to the Nazis? Obviously not, no matter what the law.

Deciding you don't like an online poll rules, deciding that you think you "know" the organizers mindset and that they intended out-of-state voters to cheat? You've lowered the bar on ethics so low that you have no ethics.. The word has no meaning when you can decide to cheat on anything with which you disagree.

Read anything by Professor A.C. Grayling, and rebut his stance. I've taken mine from him. Principled and reasoned ethics.

None of your justifications, nor demagoguery are rebuttals.

By the way, Marx didn't want judgments because they would possibly destroy his arguments.

Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:57am

Ok, I'm unethical.  I would much rather be unethical than, as Marx points out, be judgmental and call out the behavior of others, who I consider friends on this site, as sad and pathetic. 

 

So, I suppose that ethics are, in your mind, black and white.  If Hitler came to your door and asked if you were hiding Jews, you would have to tell him the truth.  Stealing tweezers is stealing.  If you can't tell the difference between that and and voting 3 times in an online poll, then I don't know what.

 

 

Comment by Richard H. McCargar on July 12, 2011 at 10:39am

Just an online poll so it doesn't matter?

Just steal a tweezers from the store. They're only a dollar. Nothing like taking a nation to war.

If you only employ ethics for what you consider to be significant issues, you are not an ethical person. End of the story.

Just admit you aren't ethical, and there is no problem. Do whatever you please as long as in your mind, there is no harm done.

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:33am

Another question then?? Why do some Atheists find the need to always "compare" to religion to somehow justify anything? People in general have judgments, regardless of a religious or non-religious views. I find it much more serene to quit comparing. Atheism is not a "us against them"..

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 10:22am

Strength in unity!  Can't we all just get along here?  :P

Comment by Marx on July 12, 2011 at 10:21am

Thank you, Dr. Kellie.  I completely agree.  I think some folks need to put this in perspective.  Some of the comments posted here remind me of how judgmental a lot of religious people can be.  At the risk of sounding religious myself, I must say that I see no value in casting stones.

Comment by mike h. on July 12, 2011 at 10:15am

Hmmm, when one sticks by their morals, how is it a "high horse"...? What are the comparisions that distinguish the use of morals a "high or low, or any horse"?

Comment by dr kellie on July 12, 2011 at 10:05am

I have been watching this exchange regarding the online vote, and for those of you on your moral high horses, I would encourage you to remember that this is an online vote for a STICKER.  Voting "fraudulently" is unethical?  Really?  Give me a break.

Comment by Rudy V Kiist on July 12, 2011 at 7:52am

I have to agree with Stephan here. Whoever started the whole process obviously meant for out of staters to vote. It's like a porn company going online getting people to click the box marked "I'm over 18". They know darn well who's watching their stuff.

If they wanted ONLY people from Ohio to vote they knew darn well how to make sure only Ohio residents vote. This would be the only way to get people from outside of state to vote, yet wash their hands of legal responsibility.

Comment by G Smith on July 12, 2011 at 7:36am

I voted for the secular sticker with the Ohio state shape on it.

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