ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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The portrait is Charles Darwin, age 31, in 1840

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Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 5:50pm
We're talking about Miss USA who gets to compete in the Miss Universe pageant. Not Miss America.
Comment by Park Bierbower on June 29, 2011 at 5:32pm
I'm sorry, I must be missing something, but the miss america website says that the winner for 2011 was from nebraska.  anyone know what thats about?  maybe thats where she was born, but I don't see why that would be listed on her info for having won.  I must be missing something here.
Comment by Alice on June 29, 2011 at 5:19pm
It is very surprising though, that a self professed science geek would win Miss America - I didn't think they have those values.  Perhaps she had other 'assets'.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on June 29, 2011 at 1:44pm
No offense, but how is she any different than most of your politicians and dignitaries?
Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 12:04pm
I think we should start a separate topic for this discussion instead of pinging everyone's inbox.
Comment by Chuck VonDerAhe on June 29, 2011 at 11:40am
The way I express it is, "I accept the fact of the evolutionary theory".
Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 11:19am

No Mike, we don't... we can separate "belief" in the demonstrable (2+2=4) from belief in the supernatural; theists, on the other hand, cannot!

 

Hence my use of quotes around "believe".

 

English is a very powerful way to express yourself - it has the 2nd highest redundancy of all popular languages - but when a word like belief is hijacked in two different meanings, then one side has to stop using it to avoid confusion.

Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 10:58am
Something else to be mindful of here too. We don't "believe" in evolution. We understand it, follow it... etc. but NEVER believe in it. Belief is a word that should be reserved for the intangible - and in science that is limited to very few theoretical objects at the extremes of physics.
Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 10:34am
Watching that video a couple weeks ago made me embarrassed for our country. The fact that only two believed in evolution is disheartening. But then, i have to remember the background of the kind of people who participate in beauty pageants and tell myself that these 50 women are by no means a representative pool of the people in our country. At least that's what is keeping me from slitting my wrists.
Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 10:28am
Either way, I'll reserve judgement. This kind of optimism can turn into a train wreck just as quickly.
 

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