ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Marc Draco on December 31, 2010 at 8:31pm

Very good, Tony;

 

"It was right, it would work and no one would have to get nailed to anything."

 

I'm such a Douglas Adams fanboi - I even do most of my thinking in the bath.

 

;-)

Comment by Tony Davis on December 31, 2010 at 7:08pm

Marc - Yeah, I know.  I am such an damn hopeless optimist that I am always surprised when people like this guy falls for the bullshit.

 

By the way, the reference to the girl in the cafe.... Douglas Adams???

Comment by Marc Draco on December 31, 2010 at 5:12pm

Seriously Tony? Why so amazed.

 

Most people are ignorant of the facts (and that statement could be used by Stein too, which is ironic).

 

I think we're losing though under the weight of all this bullshit; the world will probably be demolished the instant that a girl sitting on her own in a cafe in Rickmansworth finally figures out how to convince creationists that they've been wrong all this time.

 

And with that, I'll bid you all a fond farewell until next year - which is about 45 minutes away for me...

Comment by Tony Davis on December 31, 2010 at 4:54pm

Bryon,

 

I concur.  I am just amazed at how much stock people put into what Stein said in the movie!

Comment by Bryon on December 31, 2010 at 2:40pm
I watched the Ben Stein film and was not impressed. It is all the same old BS and not even presented well. Very pathetic.
Comment by Tony Davis on December 31, 2010 at 12:06pm

Hey folks, appreciate all the help on the "research into the origins of life" question.  I think I have pretty much inundated him now.

 

I don't know how clear I was last night but apparently this guy (again, an otherwise rational person who I've known for over 20 years) watched Ben Stein's "Expelled" and really bought into the things Stein was saying about how "Evolution doesn't explain how life got started (or the origin of the universe, or gravity, etc.)"  Well, of course, it is not supposed to explain those things!  LOL

 

Thanks again folks!

Oh, and as they say in Korea (since it is already 2011 there) 새해복많이받으세요 (seh hey bok manhi baduh seh yo), or HAPPY NEW YEAR!  :-)

Comment by CDB on December 31, 2010 at 6:56am

The wikipedia has pretty good synopsis also on miller/urey......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment and subsequent work on AA

Comment by Park Bierbower on December 31, 2010 at 6:34am
As far as origins of life is concerned, one of my favorite resources is sciencedaily.com and you can find a wealth of information on the subject there.  If im not mistaken, there was a finding in the not to distant past that also had huge implications~ that radiation from the sun in space could create certain chemicals essential to life~ in the void.  Even if the question of a-biogenesis isn't perfectly explained here on the earth, I don't see a reason why a meteoroid laden with simple organic life couldn't have planted the seed when the earth was at its primordial peak.
Comment by Terrence Lee Reed on December 31, 2010 at 6:16am
Here is a short video that gives a quick summary of abiogenesis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
Also Reference:
http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/szostakweb/index.html
Comment by Bryon on December 31, 2010 at 1:55am
as far as Miller-Urey is concerned, it is not invalidated as a mater of fact, further examination of the results of the original experiment and subsequent experiments have revealed it was far more successful then originally thought.
 

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