ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by Rhonda Floyd on December 21, 2010 at 1:02pm

  I cannot understand how, with all the evidence there is, that people don't understand evolution.  Do these people not read?

Comment by Bryon on December 21, 2010 at 12:39pm

okay, I think we have finally gone over the cliff. New Gallop pole indicates that 78% of Americans doubt evolution. How embarrassing.

Comment by Tony Davis on December 17, 2010 at 3:06pm

"Holy Shit"??  Too funny!

 

You reminded me of something actually when you mentioned that nothing about it seemed "holy".  As an unbeliever I have been lucky enough to actually visit some of the most sacred places on earth (sacred now or in the past).  Pyramids at Giza; Vatican; various cathedrals in Europe; Dai Butsu (giant Buddha) in Kamakura Japan; reclining Buddha in Bangkok, Thailand; Temple of Heaven in Beijing, China; and Jesus' baptism site in Jordan.  Not to make any value judgments on which belief system has more merits here but by far the least inspiring of all these was Jesus' baptism site.  Even the Christians among us were wholly uninspired.  I personally need no more evidence that the truly majestic things we experience are natural phenomena and man-made wonders.  Nothing supernatural thus far has arisen to impress those who see clearly.

Comment by Jim DePaulo on December 17, 2010 at 2:54pm

How in hell did that get double printed??

Comment by Jim DePaulo on December 17, 2010 at 2:51pm

 

When I was a health inspector for Denver Health Department I had to inspect the facilities and practice surrounding the making of the "holy flesh".  It was a small (very clean) room in the basement of a residence for nuns.  The lady that produced the sacred biscuits was a elderly nun with hairnet and a white apron over her habit. One production device resembled an oversized notary stamp the others were a mixer and rolling pin. The thinly rolled dough was fed under the stamp and communion wafers popped out. I asked the nun if I could taste the dough – it had the taste “qualities” of an unsalted rice cake – it tasted like shit with or without queso

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The whole process, while very sanitary, didn't have any “holy” aura around it - no doubt some priestly magic needed to be applied.

The idea that a shitty tasting cracker turns into a piece of Jesus meat when eaten and is then washed down with a shot of blood was, IMO, one of the strangest and disgusting rituals that the church had dreamed up. Further, when one took a crap could it be said to be holy shit ?



When I was a health inspector for Denver Health Department I had to inspect the facilities and practice surrounding the making of the "holy flesh".  It was a small (very clean) room in the basement of a residence for nuns.  The lady that produced the sacred biscuits was a elderly nun with hairnet and a white apron over her habit. One production device resembled an oversized notary stamp the others were a mixer and rolling pin. The thinly rolled dough was fed under the stamp and communion wafers popped out. I asked the nun if I could taste the dough – it had the taste “qualities” of an unsalted rice cake – it tasted like shit with or without queso

.

The whole process, while very sanitary, didn't have any “holy” aura around it - no doubt some priestly magic needed to be applied.

The idea that a shitty tasting cracker turns into a piece of Jesus meat when eaten and is then washed down with a shot of blood was, IMO, one of the strangest and disgusting rituals that the church had dreamed up. Further, when one took a crap could it be said to be holy shit ?



Comment by J-Lyn on December 17, 2010 at 1:18pm

Thanks so much for the welcome! Sorry for the late response. I'm so happy to have found a group like this.

Comment by Joseph P on December 15, 2010 at 8:37pm

@Marc

Isn't the text of the actual book itself accurate and unmodified, though?  I haven't actually read it from that copy.  I had read it a while back, in some other printing that I got from the library, years ago.

 

I just got the version I actually own so that I could read the intro that I had heard about from 'The Atheist Experience'.  Well, and of course Ray Comfort's chimps were handing them out for free, so there was no reason not to get it, while I was at Duke University seeing Dawkins speak, anyway.

 

The intro is ... painful.  It took me 5 or 6 sittings to get through the 50 page intro, because I could only cope with so much ignorant bullshit in one go.

Comment by Steve Nelson on December 15, 2010 at 4:11pm

Howdy Everyone! Hey I've just got my new book finished and I'd like to put a Sneak Preview here for ya and the nice Cover Art and ad copy. I hope I can figure out how to get a picture on here.

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Comment by Marc Draco on December 15, 2010 at 2:37pm

Or you can download all six versions for free from the various Internet sites that host them. It's out of copyright and quite easily obtained.

 

The Ray Comfort edition that Joseph alludes to is the completely debased version with the introduction defiling all of Darwin's ideas. [shudders]

Comment by Joseph P on December 15, 2010 at 5:40am

They should both have similar texts.  Darwin made a few clarification corrections in later editions, but they were relatively minor.  I would imagine that most modern printings use his latest version.  Since it's been public domain for well over a century, plenty of people have put out their own editions, mostly just with different introductions and such.  Personally, I love my Ray Comfort edition.  Ray Comfort is such an asshat.

 

As for the difference in titles, the original was actually even longer: 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of favored Races in the Struggle for Life.' The longer one is closer to the original, but that doesn't really mean anything.  Some people have shortened the title, since the newer convention of short, catchy titles  has supplanted the old convention of explaining what the hell the book is actually about, with the title.  Apparently most modern readers' ADD kicks in after 3 or 4 words of title.

 

Basically, you'll have to just read the Amazon description of the books about the various introductions and such.  That sort of thing should be the only difference.

 

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