ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 9:43pm
And before I crash (have to get up early)....

Susan - I like your point about Christianity being destroyed if they found the body of Christ but I REALLY REALLY disagree. And that's not at attack on ya, I like your though process. It is just that I've met so many Christians, even debated a few, who I thought would have no choice but to concede defeat when I would show them direct contradictions in the Bible. For example, I even showed one apologist the Project Reason chart (http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf) and the response was "That doesn't bother me at all. I don't need the Bible to be accurate to have faith in Christ. I am convinced (and I might be wrong) that a huge percentage of Christians would just chalk up the body of Christ to "God works in mysterious ways".
Comment by Robert Tobin on November 18, 2010 at 9:36pm
When I was being indoctrinated into the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church in a jesuit 'concentration camp". Xavier College, we were told the wafer IS the body of Jesus Christ, not a symbol or representation. We had to believe it OR ELSE
Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 9:35pm
On the issue of "what Christians really believe" and the whole "is the wafer really Jesus' body and the wine really his blood... The idea of transubstantiation is official doctrine that it really does become the body and blood. Now, how many people REALLY believe that? I have no idea. It is a challenge I am facing while trying to write this book. I have to be VERY careful saying "Christians believe...." because as soon as I do I meet one who says "I don't believe that". And that happens on some pretty BIG issues! I am generally using the "guidelines" found in C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity" when talking about what Christians believe. If it's not in there I try to qualify it with "some" or "many". Hope that all makes sense.
Comment by Robert Tobin on November 18, 2010 at 9:32pm
With respect, I often why people can't spell: Bush go to the alter = altar
"Alter" means to change something
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 8:44pm
Hi Mike,

I agree totally. Work, kids, life I need to stop speed reading. Maybe christianity should be called "Paulism."
Comment by Susan Stanko on November 18, 2010 at 8:37pm
If Jesus was ever found it would destroy Christianity. he was supposed to be raised into heaven.
Comment by Joseph P on November 18, 2010 at 8:17pm
Claudia, I was raised Catholic, so I still curse like one. I picked that up, even if I never absorbed any of the religion. I say 'Christ' all the time.
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 7:11pm
I added your quote, what exactly did you mean?
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 6:55pm
Hi Claudia,

"because clearly everyone knows exactly who Jesus is" Please tell us more. The rest of your post seems to be the blind trying to lead the sighted?

Gregg
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 6:05pm
Sorry I don’t know all of acts, I played hooky at work and tried to googol “John/Acts” I got a virtuous Jew and a Roman Centurion - possible Johns in haste?

Anyway, I already commented on Paul, he cannot be used to show an Historical Jesus. The case for Myth is not conclusive, so there is plenty of room for debate. I just have come down on the side that I think fits the (lack) of evidence best.
 

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