I always here the theists saying God is self existing. Really now. Why can't the universe be self existing as well.

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I like the phrase, "It is what it is," & nothing is ''made'' about it. It just is........... 

Now, fairy tales are a different kettle of fish....obviously made by humans........for humans.  

Yes, and the bible states that god is the Alpha and Omega, therefore, there WAS a beginning.

Remember, I think, therefore I am.

Then, they must explain how he was BEFORE Alpha.

How did god think before he was.

William, your last sentence is short, neat, and effectively right; and Patricia expresses it well too. "It just is....".  

Who made god?

Someone who had no other idea about the world or how it works.

Probably got bored & wanted to see what it was like to try controlling someone else for his own gains.........

The shame is that whoever originally came up with the idea of a god had no idea what the implications of that idea was.  Later, once the idea had metastasized a bit, someone else realized that said idea could be USED.

And so it began.

God was made by humans, for humans, and it became a tool of domination.

Or, as Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900 CE) once said,

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?”

Man blunders all over the place.  Why shouldn't he blunder with the concept of a deity?

I go with god is one of man's blunders!


This God thing is a mental disorder

Mass Hysteria

Gang Mentality


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