LoL don’t like the God of Abraham huh? Nor do I. I have not seen 'I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here' so tell me more or where….. I will say that you do have a passion to point out issues with the Christian god. I don’t mean to offend and I am hoping to offer a bit of constructive criticism as well as agreement. I want to add however that critiquing bad religious stuff is better served by rational discourse.
Not so much that you aren’t rational (hell I don’t know you) but if you attack the supernatural (specifically Christianity in this case) though just rationality, and not through its bullshit historical contributions it may strengthen your position.
It is easy to dismiss the activities in the bible (In this forum we already know it is crap) for they lack credibility. However it is also good to let go…..If you do dismiss for reasons of credibility then these stories are just that.
I understand your dislike for the stories, as such, for they do lack decency among other things and present awful examples, if they are used as such, especially if they are acted on etc. Acts rooted in them, by people with that crap intertwined in their belief(s) as if they were real (or at least from a divine source) have resulted in terrible developments and consequences and I would certainly say that is a rational contention.
Still they are to me bad stories and do not provide historical information as such, i.e. the Noah story and resurrections and miracles and on and on, but certainly they provide some with what they need for beliefs etc. I’m not a believer and I do not like the fact of this form of belief existing, but it does, and your post seems to attack the dogma and poor thinking contained therein (which are fine for examples for showing poor standards to say the least) through the stories as if they are historical, not just bad form. This is somewhat of a mistake I would think for it almost buys into to the historical aspect, not that you do in fact, but your conversation has accusations that may benefit from more clarity in this aspect. Offensive acts and topics often strikes emotions so stay cool, No offense intended, I think I get the just of what you’re saying and I am with ya…..Peace
Oh and thanks to Alice for the mention....
Pete - I like your endings :)
Maybe instead of turning off the need for a god, the alien can turn on the critical thinking switch that naturally will burn out the god light...
Turns out this might have some answers for us... :)
Alice, Thanks so much for the link to Thompson & Aukofer's book. Looks/sounds like THE perfect primer for a friend who's just starting to reason/logic her way out of the god delusion.
Am buying her a copy today.
BTW, another short little primer-type book for deconstructing the god-myth:
May I also suggest author Gilad Atzmon's superb CD, "Exile" for listening whilst reading "The Wandering Who":
The two works are truly a media synergy and if experienced simultaneously will certainly yield a ... uhhhh ... how do I put this, here, amongst non-spiritualists?
A metaphysical experience?
Out of this world? LOL :)