I never hear them give an example that isn't just a product of the social aspect of religion
The only way that could be is if you are filtering or blocking out information about the benefits of religion.
And yet, you don't list any ...
Nonreligious people tend to be more intelligent. The authors of this paper write:
First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style, which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs. Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control, self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore have less need for religious beliefs and practices.
And yet, you don't list any [non-social benefits of religion]
What would be the point? - since you are filtering or blocking out such info?
What would be the point?
So, what you're saying is that you can't come up with an example that doesn't fit my statement.
Call me crazy, but I don't consider mind control to be a benefit. Even the paper lists it as a function of religion, not a benefit.
And looking around at religious people, I don't think religion is doing a very good job of keeping them under control. Religion is correlated positively with the vast majority of negative social traits. It might be true that religion promises to be and is needed as a control mechanism, and yet it doesn't seem to provide that control mechanism.
Within a certain scope, our criticisms are more fair than theirs.
Possibly. But a lot of people who leave religion go through an angry phase, and their criticisms and attitudes are tinged by their anger and the long, painful struggle to get over religious indoctrination.
They tend not to forget the basic tenets of their previous beliefs, though.
Anyway, this isn't the case with most that I know personally. Most of the people I hang out with left religion through apathy, then came to the conclusion that it was all bullshit, after a good deal of research, out from under the positive reinforcement loop of life amongst the other worshipers.
I tend to hang out with a more intellectual crowd, so my sample set is a bit skewed. Most of them were skeptics first, then became atheists. I guess there could be a bit of anger at having been lied to for so long, but I don't think it's the sort you mean.
I've heard similar from a small number of my coworkers, yes. It least it isn't quite as common in the major cities. The education rate is a lot higher than average, here in The Triangle, and multiculturalism helps with such blind dogmatism. Most of the rest of the southeast is pretty scary, though.
"The attempted co-optation of science for their non-science bullshit..."
I love the way you put that! Haha and so true!
Heh, thanks. I'm working on the pithy phrasing, for the YouTube series I'm writing right now.
Sweet! I'll be sure to look it up when I can!