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Permalink Reply by Park Bierbower on February 3, 2011 at 10:32am

I think that thread would be short~ "because there is zero empirical evidence to support their existence." /thread

Permalink Reply by Rudy V Kiist on February 3, 2011 at 10:46am

WTH!!! You sure read a lot into a few words, don't you!! Just saying (especially this particular sub group of Atheist Nexus) bases facts on hard scientific evidence. What you saw is what you saw and I totally respect that. A few of my very close friends believe in spirits/ghosts and I respect them very much and have VERY friendly conversations about it. For that matter I'm close friends with many religious/spiritual people as well.

 

As well, my mind has been changed on many issues by, for example, shown real evidence or directed to various websites that hold up to scrutiny. So if what you're saying is fact, as a person who doesn't know you and as I asked previously for (which at the time I thought was politely, and I sincerely apologize if you thought otherwise) I'd like to see the actually scientific proof. If the only proof is what you saw, then that is EXACTLY what YOU saw and I believe you saw it. Without me seeing it or it being documented though, I don't know what it is. For example, if I see a young crocodile up here in Canada where it gets to -40 C I'm not going to expect to be believed unless I get pics, videos, etc. I'll know what I saw though, and if someone "proves" to me otherwise, so be it.

 

And what's up with "I must be a psycho who is also delusional" or "stupid head" in quotes?? I never said any such thing! If that's where your mind goes when someone questions or tries to get more info from you...like I said in another post, I really find people interesting and love to find out more about them.

 

That may sound contradictory to my "warning" about such talk on this site without outside evidence, but I've witnessed some get torn apart VERY badly on this site for that type of stuff. In fact on this particular issue. I DID NOT agree with what others did to the poor lady verbally, but it happens on this site.

 

At any rate, I'm very sure you're a very nice person, just ?maybe? a little sensitive or ?young?, so I truly apologize if anything I wrote offended you. Because of that, I shall leave this issue alone now, clicking the "stop following" icon, and wish you all the best. (^_^)   

Permalink Reply by If You Shea Show on February 3, 2011 at 6:02pm

:huh: That's not how I expected that to go, :hrm:shrug::brat: I'm not the one who started the conversation with sorry and ended it with nanner nanner I'm not listening :thumb::nose:

I don't have links because I don't per se research this ..stuff ..I'll email a friend and see what I can get. The fact that all the currently funded research projects are eTainment funded ..does cast them into one step ahead of mine in repuatability, but ..then again you may underestimate my scientific repuatability.. If I get some quality analysis, or even a well presented testimonial website (not darren brown or john edwards) I will start a thread :smile: … [small] try and be jubulant and mumble mumble mumble [/small]

Permalink Reply by Park Bierbower on February 3, 2011 at 6:05pm

There is a group (search hounds) for people who like to do research, and people who need research done, btw.  I just started it........... only me in there, but I loooovvveee to research shit, so yeah, fyi.

 

(btw, I'm obviously out of the loop with interweb speak, but you type like a schizophrenic lulz)

Permalink Reply by Park Bierbower on February 1, 2011 at 5:07pm

LoL, SheaShow!

 

Your profile said google me, so I did!

 

www.myspace.com/ifyousheashow

 

Found this interesting

 

Details

• Status: Single
• Here for: Networking
• Hometown: Lawrence, KS
• Orientation: Straight
• Height: 6' 0"
• Religion: Christian - other
• Zodiac Sign: Virgo
• Smoke / Drink: Yes / Yes
• Occupation: Dungeon Master

Wish I had your occupation, though

Permalink Reply by obfuscate on February 1, 2011 at 5:17pm

I'm going to point you to Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World". The human mind is indeed fallible, and business people know and love this.

Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2011 at 5:55pm

Yes, I agree, Sagan has a way of understanding even the most bazaar and making sense of the event, or why people believe such things. Kind of like he looks with compassion but interprets with wisdom. A gentle and firm skeptic.

Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on February 1, 2011 at 9:12pm

I do not like the "paranormal" shows. They add nothing to my understanding of people's experiences.

When individuals tell me their experiences and dreams, I am interested and listen. Sometimes they sound foolish, other times, they reveal something that isn't being revealed otherwise. Let me give you a personal example. I had my mother's memorial service in my home and while preparing food, there was a tap on my shoulder attracting my attention toward the dining room. My mother stood quietly watching me attending to the tasks. I stopped what I was doing and looked at her for ... perhaps a few seconds. Then she was gone. I realized I missed her. Was she a ghost? Was she a figment of my imagination? I don't know and I really don't need to know. I know I miss her.

Permalink Reply by Rudy V Kiist on January 31, 2011 at 10:04am

Thought I'd add one more thing. For me, death itself has never been as worrisome as the people I leave behind. I'm coming from the perspective of a father here, so more so when my two boys were little. They're now older and one has just left the nest and the other will be soon, but still the bigger concern if anything were to happen.

 

Permalink Reply by obfuscate on February 1, 2011 at 3:43pm

Deep concern for others seems to me to be one of the best temperers of mental strength. As a father, it is your duty to do everything you can for your children. I do not have children, but I think I've felt something similar with my feelings toward my family and friends. I would imagine it could be many-fold with caring for children, though, because they cannot fend for themselves yet.

 

Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on February 2, 2011 at 12:05am

Rudy, I feel as you, as a mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother.  Watching my children parent their children and my granddaughter parenting her sons gives me great hope for a future we dream about.  We leave them with terrible debts and constant warring.  It feels so funny when I hear one of them, from any generation, say the words that I said to my children when they were growing up.  I guess my immortality will be in their memories of me. 

 

Death, for me, holds valuable images of being changed in energy form to the "stuff of stars", as Sagan sayed.  I find that concept profoundly comforting.  Whatever I have said or done, is what is.  I can't change it.  All I can do about my regrets is express my sorrow for being so unkind and do my best to live with compassion.  

 

I find my sons and daughter do the same.  It feels good. 

Permalink Reply by obfuscate on February 2, 2011 at 5:36am

I guess my immortality will be in their memories of me.

 

This is a concept I've heard before, and I find it beautiful.

 

Oddly, I often feel a brief moment of kinship when I read well-articulated writing written by someone deceased. If their ideas seem plausible, my mind gives them consideration from the point of digestion on. Their ideas become part of my reasoning and I carry them with me, passing on to others at pertinent times how I've crunched them.

 

I honestly can't say that I feel this only when the writer is deceased, but when they are I think it might shake me more into realizing the reality that I'm feeling a connection with something inanimate, that is, text.

 

Death, for me, holds valuable images of being changed in energy form to the "stuff of stars"

 

But Joan, you already are the stuff of stars. So don't wait to celebrate ;)

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