Today is ten weeks since the group ORIGINS was founded in Atheist Nexus, and today we had our 100th member. Again, welcome to everyone and to future new members.

The group debates origins of life, Earth, humanity, religion, gods, atheism, etc. using rationality, commonsense, evolution, Darwinism, cosmology, geology, archaeology and science to reject the fantasy nonsense that is religion and above all repudiate biblical creationist fictions.

In the course of time we expect to cover aspects of most matters regarding 'fundamental origins' that interest the rational open minds of intelligent freethinkers.

"The fundamentals necessary for religious belief are a dependence on the credulity of the multitude through the quackery and deception of others. Surely life on Earth did not evolve in order to produce humans in such a state of mass gullibility. If so, this would mean that the human brain is only part way to evolved perfection.
Religion is the outward manifestation of false beliefs that exist nowhere but inside people’s heads. ‘God’ is nothing but a fancy of storytelling that is just clever enough to convince the trusting young and credulous older people but not silly enough to be revealed to them as the imposter that it is; while being nonetheless blatantly obvious to the uninfected brains of the world’s freethinkers". Terence Meaden.

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“No man who ever lived knows any more about the hereafter than you and I; and all religion is simply evolved out of chicanery, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.” Edgar Allan Poe. 1809-1849

“Gods are all in the mind. They are the imaginations of wishful thinkers who do not think enough because they have not learned enough. In short, god exists only in the head, and not outside of it.” Terence Meaden. Atheistweb 17 February 2008

“One might ask “How can you prove that a god does not exist?” One can only reply that it is scarcely necessary to disprove what has never been proved.” David A. Spitz

“Religions are fairy-like fictions. Once created (usually by men who are the makers of male gods), they are promulgated by priests (usually men who promote and sustain patriarchies) and succeed because they nourish easily-satisfied cerebral needs for most people (who are fearful once indoctrinated) in providing personal comfort and solace.” Terence Meaden. Atheistweb 6 January 2008.

Albert Einstein: “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.” (Albert Einstein, in a recently discovered letter, reported in The Guardian, May 2008)

Tags: Darwinism, Einstein, credulity, gods, quackery, religion

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Thanks for the Einstein quote, I was getting so tired of "God does not play dice with the Universe." I realized that more Einstein material had surfaced, but I missed this quote. I have a little more reading to do. Pity that the religious have carte-blanche to co-opt everything and everyone to create their propaganda. It's so easy for them, and so hard for the non-religious to show the faithful that they are following charlatans.

Thanks,

Gregg
You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately quoting Einstein out of context is a symptom of a much larger problem. This is one of the reasons that I got so angry with theists of all flavours during my own awakening when they misrepresented the words of great people and used fallacious mathematical arguements in support of a false God. Either their grasp of the math is very poor or there is a deliberate attempt by them to mislead or misdirect others in order to "harvest souls for the master". As a Science teacher, trying so hard to instill a joy of the symmetries and beauty in the mechanics of our universe into our bright young future it is depressing indeed that misguided, irrational zealots worshiping some bronzeage sky god pollute the minds of vulnerable youngsters. In the days before the internet weeding out disinformation was fairly straight forward. Now we are being bombarded with Christian propoganda and pseudo Science every day. Just google "athiest" and click the paid link at the top. It made my teeth itch too much to stomach more than a few cringing minutes at its shear "creationist wrongness".
I think every athiest in the world should click the link an inflate it's authors Adsense bill.



As far as the origin of God(s) goes, I think a lot of the psycology behind it is that our minds are not able to simuate a state of non existence and that it terrifies most of us. For all of us death of self, death of a lover, death of a parent, death of a child are mind shattering painful experiences that leave us vulnerable for any salve. I think that the pain of berievement opened a door in our prehistoric psyche. Originally in prehistory this may have been the birth of the meme that that created the first proto-God in our heads. As soon as any one individual in a neolithic world became enfranchised with the "word of God", then their standing in a tribe would be enhanced. There would be a vested interst in "hamming it up" a bit for a willing audience. As generations passed, new Gods usurped older ones, but the basic "God meme" persisted and evolved. Deceit built on deceit. Today, after thousands of iterations, we see that meme in its current grotesque form. A form that twists its followers to lie to others, lie to themselves and prostetute false science and obsfurcated mathematics in a desperate attempt to survive.



“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
- Denis Diderot (1713-1784)

"God is imaginary - get over it" Marcus Harman 2008
Thank you Marcus for adding these helpful comments.
The 'origins of gods' is a major subject, and we will welcome further comments from you and other unbiased freethinkers.
I have always believed that religion and gods were ways for primitive cultures to explain the natural phenomena they could not understand. By the time we reached the "age of reason", religion was used as a way to control the population through fear. Now, with all of the new scientific breakthroughs and exploration, religion is no longer necessary or relevant. The people who still cling to this crutch, are just unwilling or unable to see the facts that have been put right in front of their faces. The fact that some areas were actually considering not teaching the theory of evolution frightened me very much. The fear of death, with no heaven waiting for them, terrifies some people into grasping at the straw that is religion. Mostly I pity them, many of them cannot be persuaded to even look at the scientific evidence of evolution. The so-called "Religious Right" should never have had a place in politics in the first place, in my opinion!
Very efficiently expressed Susan.
Most of the believers were 'got at' when they were children, following which they held fast to their fables--while just a few of the believers were clever enough and bold enough to 'put away their childish thoughts' as they grew up.

I agree with you that we should pity them, for that is what they always do to us.

We may pity them because we are standing on the moral and intellectual high ground, in being right that atheism is the natural default situation into which everyone in the world is born. They pity us from their lowly intellectual position that is based only on hollow biblical knowledge and little else.

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