Is it moral to vote out of state repeatedly in order to stack a pole to get a secular result?
Interesting discussion -
The pole isn't particularly important in the bigger scheme of things - and it would seem that repeated voting isn't illegal - the site is perhaps designed - like most things in our society - to be an honesty based system.
The organisers would perhaps organise a different way to do it - but perhaps it isn't an issue to vote repeatedly. If it was there would be some way of registration or cookies - which there doesn't seem to be.
It could be set up like big brother or other reality tv voting systems where you can vote as many times as you wish.
Why get all 'holier than thou' about it?
I think we need to use our rational thinking in this case - go through the facts of the case, before condemning others of immoral actions. What's wrong with some reasoning - rather than public shaming?
I'm for the Naturalistic attitude of compassion due to our deterministic universe.
I felt frustrated when you posted before, because I need more understanding about what you were expressing. Morals and values are a personal interest of mine at the moment. I wasn't schooled on them as a child - as such - although I think I had a lot of subtle indoctrination of them - which wasn't always useful - I was controlled using fear, guilt and shame - which I resented at the time and felt angry about later. I dont' profess to be either reasonable or ethical - and if you think that makes me a lesser person - I'd like to understand why - because I feel hurt when told I am a lesser person because I need equal respect with other humans. I see everyone as fully caused in their actions including myself - and so when I do regret things that I've said or done, I forgive myself as I forgive others the same.
I am very willing to address your points one by one - although so much is said that I have addressed the points most pressing to me personally - please put a point forward that you wish me to address?
After an upbringing that didn't include the words moral, and only included the word ethics in terms of what adults do when at work - it is a new topic for me - and I hadn't thought much on the matter until reading Harris' book the moral landscape a few weeks ago. So I'm interested to understand more.
Also I have a question for you - a question of moral actions:
Yesterday my kids asked me to buy them chocolate biscuits at the shops. I did although I don't often buy them sweet things. Later that evening our 4 year old asked for one - we have been having trouble with him eating properly at dinner - so we said that he could have one once he ate his dinner. He didn't, and so we left the biscuits unopened on the shelf for another day. The next day my 4 year old asked again for a biscuit. I said yes, so long as he ate all his eggs on toast. He did and so I got the biscuits down. They had been opened. I suspected that my husband and 9 year old had had one the night before. I asked my 9 year old if he had already had one. He said no. I didn't believe him and asked him again and asked him to be honest with me. He said no repeatedly. He's not one to lie - so I left it and gave them all a biscuit. It's important to me that I am fare with all my children - so that they feel fairly treated and I hope it reduced sibling rivalry, arguments and hurt feelings. Later I asked my husband if they had indeed had the biscuits - he said they had both had one and that he had told our 9 year old not to tell the younger children. When I had ask my 9 year old it had been in front of the other children.
So what next? What is the moral thing to do in this situation? Should the 9 year old be told off for lying? Was it OK to lie, because he was keeping a promise he made to his father? Was it morally wrong for my husband to tell him not to tell his siblings? Have I acted in a morally wrong way in this situation?
I'm really curious to hear your views - given your claims to superior* moral and ethical standing based on your readings on the matter.
* Said with tongue in cheek...
Ethics are not based upon whether or not you find other people also in violation.
Actually they can be. Ethically we can't lock people in prison. However, if they violate laws, then ethically we can.
EDIT: I misread the preceding comment to yours. Still the point holds, that situational ethics are at times called for. It is one of the most difficult things any ethical system can do: provide for different situations on the same issue.
therefore, locking up criminals is not the opposite. You have a faulty comparison.
Of course they aren't OPPOSITES, they are the same action in different situations that are dependent on the actions, and hence ethics, of the people involved.
Nice to see you saying that since lots of people would agree with my points, they don't apply. Perhaps I misread you though, what do you mean?
My point was, there is no ethical anything here. Online poll rules? Really? They don't work and it's a silly online poll...who cares? Is stealing a single (note the word "single") pencil at work the same same as robbing a bank? They may both be stealing, but come on..perspective here. If you're talking cheating on voting for government election is one thing, but... And for the record, I don't buy into the "Slippery slope" saying. Stealing a pencil won't lead to bank robbery and so on.
At any rate, not sure why I'm even discussing this as I don't really consider it an issue. Guess that's what happens when it rains and I can't do my farm work (^_^). Won't follow this anymore so continue as you like...
No ethical anything? Because you declare it so? How about this perspective. You don't like it that I am showing a lack of ethics, or minimally 'convenient ethics' in our community, so you attempt to change the facts.
The facts are, that if you have to lie, delete cookies, etc., you are making a decision that is not ethical, irrespective of whether you wish to accept it. You must have cared, or you wouldn't have gone this far. Taking the last parting shot and declaring you won't follow it is not surprising by this juncture.