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Permalink Reply by Victoria Vann on February 22, 2012 at 2:14pm

I think this is were I kind of failed, I only read snippets of the Bible (ironically the bad parts) and ignored the good. Even so, now that I'm going back to it, I'm reading it for what it is. An ancient book of literature and nothing more.

Permalink Reply by Indygrl76 on February 6, 2012 at 6:03pm

Welcome to reality Kaila!  I support the suggestions below--Dawkins and Hitchens are must reads.  I have also found The Christ Conspiracy by Acharya S a really great source to debunk the belief that Jesus was a real person and helping Christians--  understand that the whole "story" is a compiliation of older, previous god beliefs.  I remember the feeling of liberation I had when I "discovered" that I was an atheist... almost a giddy high for months!  You will find out that you are not alone-- in fact, you will actually be shocked at how many other nonbelievers are out there!  Good luck with the family-- this is always difficult.  You may find that the truely indoctrinated simply cannot accept reality as it threatenes everything they believe and it just may be too scary to deal with.  So good luck and welcome!

Permalink Reply by Roy on February 6, 2012 at 6:24pm

I agree with that.  It's very satisfying to ask a theist if they have actually read the bible all the way through.  When I tell them that I have and I find out that they have not, I have the high ground. 

Just the book of Job is enough though.  God is just playing a game with Job.  Kills all his 8 wives just to see how he will react (plus several other things).  So later he makes up for it by giving him 8 new wives?  Really?  That makes up for it?  What a loving god he is.  

Oh, and if I were god, I'm sure I wouldn't have needed the Pharaoh's permission to get MY people out of Egypt.  And it sure is a nasty god that would kill all those children.

So many other points to ponder, all mentioned in that book about "God's Problem".

Permalink Reply by Des Bellamy on February 6, 2012 at 6:42pm

Wasn't it 10 children that Job had? Don't remember any wives - perhaps it was immaculate conception x 10. Anyway, as god would say "the devil made me do it!" Or was that Flip Wilson?

There's also the tale of Onan who was struck dead for ejaculating outside of his wife's vagina, thus avoiding conception altogether. He has been the poster boy for the anti-masturbation bullies ever since. Struck dead for masturbating? That would certainly solve the overpopulation crisis.  

Permalink Reply by Roy on February 6, 2012 at 7:54pm

Yes Des, you are correct. Job had 10 children that were killed, not 8 wives.  My memory is getting bad.  Now who was it that had 8 wives?

Permalink Reply by Des Bellamy on February 6, 2012 at 8:55pm

Henry VIII - and look where it got him - he started the Anglican Church.

Permalink Reply by Rudy V Kiist on February 7, 2012 at 8:26am

Either way the bible is pretty clear throughout...you're not a REAL person unless you're an adult male. Women and children are expendable either way. Even the commandments state it from specifically a male point of view. Nothing about coveting thy neighbour's husband. And all I can remember about the evils of homosexuality is between two men not women...unless someone can correct me? I'd guess being written by men, the lesbian thing was just considered hot (^_-). 

Permalink Reply by Marc Draco on February 7, 2012 at 1:31pm

LOL!

@Des - let's not forget that the Evangelical right wing is protestant-based. So we have "Our 'Enry" (English gag) to thank for the likes of Palin and probably even Mormonism!

Permalink Reply by leveni on February 6, 2012 at 7:49pm

Hi Kaila,

Here is a definition of atheism from the Oxford dictionary.

And a definition of sceptic also.

 

Thunderf00t on youtube is my favourite for some light hearted fun, disproving Genesis. 

Nonstampcollector is also good fun.

 

I want to be educated on what science aspects go alongside atheism.

Science is made up of theories, to explain nature, that can be independently verified to be true or false. 

Atheism is the lack of belief in God. 

Personally I can not see any link between science and atheism. But I can see a link between religion and science. Religion is a prehistoric attempt to explain nature, that was written down when writing was invented. But atheism attempts to do nothing, it's just a lack of belief in god. 

I see nothing wrong with the Bible, in the same way as I see nothing wrong with Star-Wars. But the main problem I have with religion is the 'forced indoctrination of children' by adults.

 

Good luck.

Permalink Reply by Meddlesome on February 7, 2012 at 2:45am

A good resource if youve been fed cherry picked christianity:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

M.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on February 7, 2012 at 2:54am

Another good source, yeah.  I've only recently started looking into it, myself.  I suggest all atheists in a Christian-dominated country like America read the Bible.  I've already read it straight through, but I'm looking through various potions of it again, since obviously, it didn't all stick on the first pass.

Permalink Reply by Meddlesome on February 7, 2012 at 2:56am

Some of its points could be considered petty or trivial, but if you look past them, there is some real ammunition to be found there.

M.

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