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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Fighting Against Abstinence Only Education.

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What counts as proof for existential threats

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Comment by Grinning Cat 5 minutes ago

(Confusingly, Conservative Jews are moderate -- that movement has roots in a reaction to the Reform movement -- and Orthodox Jews are more conservative!)

Comment by Grinning Cat 8 minutes ago
Do those who seek to control the bodies and behaviors of others do so because their own are poorly disciplined?

Often, yes. Witness the conservative Christians, Muslims, and Jews who insist on women adhering to various degrees of "modesty" for fear of men not controlling themselves!

Comment by Patricia 12 minutes ago

As the old saying goes??? "Do as I say, not as I do".?

Comment by Loren Miller 14 minutes ago

A poser for those here assembled:

Do those who seek to control the bodies and behaviors of others do so because their own are poorly disciplined?

Comment by Patricia 20 minutes ago

I maintain that my body is mine & nobody's business but mine. If I need medical help for anything, it is PRIVATE!

Comment by Eric Sergent 6 hours ago

There shouldn't be such a thing as the right for abortion. Every woman/girl should be able, without any new laws, to deciede if she wants that thing growing inside her being removed. If she says, get it out now, everyone should shut the fuck up and respect her choice. The only abortion law that should exist it to protect the right of a woman for being able to carry her pregnancy to term and bring her baby into our dear world. Common sense is of course something that we can't expect from the nofuckguys, nofuckgirls and their flock.

Comment by Gerald Payne 10 hours ago

It wasn't that far back that doctors advice for a pregnancy termination was ignored on the grounds of religious principles. She died.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan yesterday

Thanks for the correction, Loren. (Not sure how the link got screwed up.)

Comment by Loren Miller yesterday

Bertold, your link has a problem.  I think this is the article you wanted to link to.

Comment by Loren Miller yesterday

Certainly there have been some significant mile markers in Ireland's migration away from the church.  The vote on gay marriage isn't just a slap in the face, but a fist in the chops, considering the Vatican's refusal to disavow Leviticus.  The death of the woman who was denied an abortion is the next major event in the progression, and I would wonder how strongly that incident influenced the drive to have the vote, though its relationship is not truly direct.

I doubt that the RCC will be utterly kicked to the curb in Ireland, but I doubt the dynamic between the church and the people of the Emerald Isle will never be the same again.

 

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