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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 2, 2015 at 9:35pm

Bertold, the beautiful statement, 

"It’s perfectly apparent that he (god) is monstrous. Utterly monstrous and deserves no respect whatsoever and that The moment you banish him, life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living in my opinion.

~ Steven Fry

Your statement, Bertold, is equally as beautiful: 

"The Interview went viral, and blogger Father Ed Tomlinson, taking umbrage, wrote an attempted rebuttal titled Without God, the world would be worse off. The entire piece was published by the Cahtolic Herald

"Here are some highlights of the wannabe rebuttal. The usual apologists' brew of unmitigated arrogance, outrageous presuppositions and cherry picking revisionism come to the fore"

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 2, 2015 at 6:55pm

A rewording of the cartoon: "Do you think you would believe in Jesus today if your great-great-great-great-grandfather's owner had not used Jesus to manipulate and exploit him?

Comment by Joseph P on February 2, 2015 at 6:31pm

Don't pin it there, at any rate.

Poor donkey ...

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 2, 2015 at 6:27pm

@ Joseph - Don't pin your hopes on it!

Comment by Joseph P on February 2, 2015 at 6:23pm

How many assholes can dance on the head of a pin?

Is it just me, or does that sound like a kinky sex-act to anyone else?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 2, 2015 at 6:17pm

Good point, Joseph - Who gets to determine who's being an asshole? When I taught at a corrections facility, my single class rule was Don't be an asshole, and everyone knew when anyone broke it. But with religionists in the mix, assholery debate would break out everywhere. How many assholes can dance on the head of a pin?

Comment by Joseph P on February 2, 2015 at 5:32pm

Maybe if it was possible to write something that's actually universally moral.  The Bible isn't anything close, but even if you could manage it ...

I could see some fuck-wit turning Carlin's Commandment, "Don't be an asshole," into a command to purge the world of anyone who is an asshole by not believing in your faith and woo-woo bullshit.

Comment by Patricia on February 2, 2015 at 2:30pm

Religions don't respect life.....they respect religion, plain & simple.....life, good, bad, or otherwise, counts for dick-all.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 2, 2015 at 2:26pm

Exactly right, Cat. And again we get the über-annoying  assumption that it's only possible to respect life through belief in god. Will these people ever get how transparently idiotic this claim is?

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 2, 2015 at 2:06pm

"...a Catholic Church that has lasted two thousand years, which comprises 1.4 billion members and which has outlived every regime that ever sought to destroy it."

That merely demonstrates that that religion has been successful at infecting people and spreading, especially in pre-scientific times -- not that we wouldn't be better off without it!

 

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