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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov



The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Comment by James M. Martin on April 16, 2011 at 6:10pm
@Loren: I just hope that going to the site in the link will not give you a virus.  I did.  I knew immediately I had made a mistake, as there is no Jenifer there but a commercial entity of some kind.  It has been on most of the groups I belong to.
Comment by Loren Miller on April 16, 2011 at 5:58pm
Not just this group, James, but more than a couple.  They seem to be hit-and-run jobs, since I can never get a handle on the user names.  I get the notification emails, but the user and the spam tends to be gone before I can check them.
Comment by James M. Martin on April 16, 2011 at 5:44pm
Is someone spamming this group with "coupons" links?
Comment by James M. Martin on April 14, 2011 at 5:01pm
That Deepak Chopra quote is priceless!  I figured out he was a con artist the minute I read some of him.  Nothing but regurgitated New Age Hindu-Buddhist b.s.  He's kinda Nagarujuna Lite.  Now, to one of my posts, in a comment I was congratulated for use of the argument from evil (as expounded to me first by Mackie), but the writer mentioned one he thought better: justice versus mercifulness.  Can any of you fill me in on the basic definition of the latter?  Thanks.
Comment by A Former Member on February 23, 2011 at 1:01pm
Why People Believe in Conspiracies
A skeptic's take on the public's fascination with disinformation

After a public lecture in 2005, I was buttonholed by a documentary filmmaker with Michael Moore-ish ambitions of exposing the conspiracy behind 9/11. “You mean the conspiracy by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to attack the United States?” I asked rhetorically, knowing what was to come.

“That’s what they want you to believe,” he said. “Who is they?” I queried. “The government,” he whispered, as if “they” might be listening at that very moment. “But didn’t Osama and some members of al Qaeda not only say they did it,” I reminded him, “they gloated about what a glorious triumph it was?”

“Oh, you’re talking about that video of Osama,” he rejoined knowingly. “That was faked by the CIA and leaked to the American press to mislead us. There has been a disinformation campaign going on ever since 9/11.”

Read the rest of this short article on Scientific American.
Comment by sacha on February 9, 2011 at 1:45pm

Pirate Bard's missing comment was as follows:

 

@WFS   Did you actually read the article?  From your first comment you obviously saw the rule about conspiracy theories.  Please stop trolling and move on to some group that welcomes that sort of nonsense.
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and, of course I agree with the sentiment.

Comment by Jas Brimstone on February 9, 2011 at 1:41pm
WTF!? My post disappeared! It's a conspiracy I tell ya!
Comment by sacha on February 9, 2011 at 12:30pm
Only when someone deserves acknowledgment in NN, Susan.  You know where to find me, though.
Comment by Susan Stanko on February 9, 2011 at 12:28pm
I didn't think you came her anymore sacha.
Comment by sacha on February 9, 2011 at 12:25pm

@PirateBard

Well done.  Perhaps WFS needs a conspiracy theorist group.

 

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