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What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on December 2, 2009 at 8:01pm
Somehow apropos -

Comment by Daniel W on December 2, 2009 at 7:41pm
We used to have so much trouble when we had a litter box. The dogs treated cat poop like it was ambrosia from the gods. Every time I turned around, one of the dogs had his head deep inside the litter box and his tail wagging rapidly. Wag wag wag wag wag.

The cat made multiple escapes by destruction of window screens, so is now pooping outside where the dogs can't get to it. Whenever she's inside, the dogs still annoy her by sticking there nose in her butt. Probably viewing that as the source of such lovely flavors. The motherload. The holy grail.

I don't know what this says about doggie olfaction and doggie intelligence. Or about nonsense. Oh - at least as far as dogs are concerned, PZ Myers was wrong.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with eating something full of bacteria either - as long as it's yogurt, or kefir. Sorry PZ. That might be up for another no nonsense topic - the need for cleanliness, and bacteria are bad.
Comment by Jason Spicer on December 2, 2009 at 7:28pm
Oh, and apparently staring at the sun was the primary cause of the "miracles" at Fatima. It's a very old trick. The con-artist just gets everyone worked up a bit and then says, "Look! The sun!" And everybody starts seeing spots, apparitions, the sun dancing around in the sky, etc. Yes, dogs are smarter than that. That's why they don't go to church.
Comment by Jason Spicer on December 2, 2009 at 7:11pm
Bill_S, I wouldn't want to give off the odor of a dog, but sometimes I think it might be interesting to have the sense of scent of a dog. I'm thinking when they stick their heads out the window of a moving car, it's like olfactory overload--total high, every synapse firing.

And PZ Myers evidently hasn't heard of fecal bacteriotherapy.
Comment by Susan Stanko on December 2, 2009 at 5:58pm
I didn't add any info but, I did add the link.
Comment by sacha on December 2, 2009 at 4:56pm
what separates the critical thinkers from the loons:

changing what one believes based on new evidence.

The WHO changes advice on HIV therapy
Comment by sacha on December 2, 2009 at 4:54pm
dogs won't stare at the sun. Now who is smarter?
Comment by A Former Member on December 2, 2009 at 4:48pm
My dogs seem to think it's O.K.

So are you suggesting these people are no smarter than dogs? Whoda thunk it?
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on December 2, 2009 at 4:47pm
No poop? But you can roll in it right? My dogs seem to think it's O.K.
Comment by Prog Rock Girl on December 2, 2009 at 4:41pm
Yeah, if you stare at the sun long enough you'll probably hallucinate before ruining your eyes...wow.
 

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