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What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 18, 2014 at 9:09pm

Joseph, I don't think he is a Muslim or a Christian. I do think he is a Chicago School of Economics fundamentalist. Just look at his cabinet appointments. 

Comment by James M. Martin on October 18, 2014 at 8:36pm

Uh, maybe he isn't a Muslim.

Comment by Joseph P on October 18, 2014 at 8:20pm

What I don't get is why Obama doesn't finally admit that he's a Muslim.  It isn't like he has to win another election.

Comment by James M. Martin on October 18, 2014 at 8:41am

Tom, the problem is, their God-infection spreads to non-conservative pols as well. They lambasted Obama so often and so long on grounds he was not a Christian but a Muslim, he eventually had to make much ado of it himself, "I am a Christian," accompanied by the usual photos of him going to church and so forth. They should not even be suffered to mention religion in the same breath as politics, and the majority on the SCOTUS similarly indulge the far right religious nuts. Even Bernie Sanders is forced to tell the Pew people his faith is "Judaism," but thankfully we are in on the joke: a vast number of those so-identified are secular Jews. (Their mom was Jewish, but they do not practice.) I have to doubt Bernie is a practicing Jew, but I may be wrong. Problem is, you must pass the litmus test to be considered presidential material. My point, and I know I am preaching to the choir, is that religious beliefs should not even be part of the discussion. I look forward to the good old days when it was never brought up.

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on October 18, 2014 at 12:27am

In Seneca's sense that rulers use religion, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are doing what's politically useful.

Comment by Joseph P on October 17, 2014 at 9:25pm

James, you're making the horrible mistake of thinking that the conservatives are interested in accuracy and context, rather than cherry-picking what they find to be rhetorically useful.  Silly boy.

I've read so many Christian apologetics books, and after the first two or three, it became obvious that they only ever read scientific papers and the writings of their opponents, not to understand what they say, but to quote-mine the living hell out of them.

Comment by James M. Martin on October 17, 2014 at 4:31pm

@Ruth Anthony-Gardner, what I can't understand is, how do Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, evangelical and Catholic, respectively, hold Ayn Rand in such high regard when both sects seek to end abortion on demand and establishment of a theocracy, two things Ayn Rand was adamant about. There are TV clips of her demanding women the right to abortion and calling governmental interference with that right an anti-freedom. and plenty of clips and interviews in print showing her to be a proud atheist. And why don't Dems running against them bring all that up. I can only groan and roll my eyes when the debates turn to religion. It has no place in our national discourse, or shouldn't. How it got there I don't know, either.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 17, 2014 at 2:16pm

Grinning Cat shared this with me.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 14, 2014 at 12:38pm

Excellent statement Ruth.

Comment by Michael Penn on October 14, 2014 at 10:47am

Good one, Ruth. Very true also.  LOl

 

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