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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joseph P on October 17, 2011 at 12:44pm
Heh heh heh heh heh.  Nice.
Comment by A Former Member on October 17, 2011 at 12:43pm

Homeopathic economist suggests injecting ‘up to $1’ into economy

 

Renowned homeopathic economist Doctor Stephen Harliton has criticized recent attempts to solve the international financial crisis. “Conventional treatments don’t work, asking people to spend less is too rational.”

 

Harliton has calculated that $1 invested properly will completely cure the world economy. “The key is to find the correct dilution.”, explained Harliton, “I know $1 sounds a lot but if it’s introduced in 10p doses throughout the year, the economy will soon return to a balanced state. I’ve already written a series of post-dated prescriptions from my chakra book.”

Doctor Harliton denied that his treatment was a licence to print money.

Comment by Michel Poisson on September 12, 2011 at 2:28pm
Homeopathy is very good at curing imaginary illness.
Comment by A Former Member on September 12, 2011 at 2:19pm
That was great Mike. I've passed it along. Lol!
Comment by Aaron Wiitanen on September 12, 2011 at 2:01pm
I sure hope that they had the proper haz-mat equipment to deal with such a catastrophe. Wouldn't want any of these idiots to become ill.
Comment by George on September 5, 2011 at 3:54am

@Mike K

That is very strange, I've never seen an email that doesn't even have a proper email address!  What  happens when  you click on "via"?

Comment by sacha on August 22, 2011 at 10:00am

That's very sweet Joseph, but I lived in Wisconsin, worked in Chicago, and spent time in Michigan.  Nothing at all similar.

I'll stick with NYC and SF if one must be in the US.

Comment by Joseph P on August 22, 2011 at 8:11am
Sacha, a lot of the northern Midwest is like the east coast.  Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan are pretty liberal and are union states.
Comment by Jaume on August 22, 2011 at 6:37am

I think it's just a rationalisation for how a believers beliefs could be true and there be unbelievers.

And I think this Wager is more masturbatory ratiocination than satisfactory rationalization.

Comment by Jason Spicer on August 22, 2011 at 12:00am
I blame Pascal. But no, one cannot choose one's beliefs; beliefs are compelled by evidence and reason. Some people just have very low evidentiary standards and poor reasoning skills.
 

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