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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov



The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella



The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Cheating with Science

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Apocalypse anxiety

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Young adults belief in demon posession

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Challenging lies doesn't work

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Mere question elicits false memories

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Political discourse in US - fundamentally fallacious

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Frustration at RealClimate

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Religion correlates with Climate Denial

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Information Technology amplifies irrational group behavior

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6 criteria of conspiratorial thinking

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on November 24, 2009 at 10:22pm
@all: I take it discussion of a charter has commenced. 2 points -

1) “Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope.” -- P. J. O'Rourke

I think we can agree making theists look stupid is already done to death all over this entire site. Besides, it's too easy as PJ says.

2) Regardless of what the subject at hand may be, it is always a secondary consideration. The primary one is the use, abuse, misuse and disuse of information. This group was formed via collective disgust at this. I feel that is what we should be focussed on.
Comment by Jason Spicer on November 24, 2009 at 10:10pm
I like the idea of combating sloppy thinking, regardless of topic. I don't think we'll have to spend as much time on theist arguments anyway, since theists aren't supposed to be on the site bothering us with illogic. But that doesn't stop anti-vaxxers, troofers, birfers, paranormalists, etc, etc.
Comment by Richard Healy on November 24, 2009 at 9:55pm
I'm actually rather partial to nonsense.*

But I shall oppose lies and distortion and misappropriation of science and the-plain stupid knuckle-draggers of creationism and pseudoscience as long as there is a breath in my body, if that counts.

*The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
Comment by sacha on November 24, 2009 at 5:41pm
Can you work out how the new Telepath application reads your mind? http://bit.ly/7bPrHS
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 24, 2009 at 5:30pm
Sacha said: Perhaps stay away from Theist Nonsense, since there are so many other places to vent about that here on Atheist Nexus.

Everything can be discussed (or vented about) in many other places on this site.

Exactly what problem are you trying to solve with your guidelines?

IMO as long as the Discussions are related to logical fallacies and erroneous arguments that are used to support idiotic claims they are consistent with the purpose of this group.

Am I wrong?
Comment by sacha on November 24, 2009 at 4:47pm
Perhaps stay away from Theist Nonsense, since there are so many other places to vent about that here on Atheist Nexus.
Comment by sacha on November 24, 2009 at 4:43pm
I think Dallas has the idea. This group was created to have a laugh at all of the nonsense out there, and perhaps hone our skills in counting and identifying the logical fallacies. Guidelines shall be posted soon. : )

cheers
Comment by A Former Member on November 24, 2009 at 3:05pm
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand. -- Kurt Vonnegut.
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 24, 2009 at 6:39am
@Susan.

If you have RealPlayer and the associated RealPlayer plug-in, the Plug-in no longer works in Firefox since the latest Firefox upgrade.

I believe that it's associated with a security fix that was implemented in Firefox.

It's my understanding that security fix has not been implemented in IE which would explain why the plug-in still works in IE.

I haven't tried it in Chrome or Opera and don't know if they've fixed that security issue or not.

This is the main issue I've come across.
Comment by sacha on November 23, 2009 at 10:54pm
"You can stop looking now: we've found the stupidest superfoods article ever published" - Ben Goldacre http://bit.ly/6U7JIb
 

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