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"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Susan Stanko on November 23, 2009 at 3:18pm
This site has never given me trouble in Firefox.
Comment by sacha on November 23, 2009 at 2:56pm
Obama kicks off massive science education effort - article by Phil Plait

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/obama-kic...
Comment by sacha on November 23, 2009 at 2:53pm
quote of the day:


"We're going to show young people how cool science can be." - President Obama
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 9:11am
That was very true in the past but things have been changing (at least in my various work environments I'm a Web and Software Developer).

The main reason now? It's faster to write for IE. Sad but true.

And we're never given the time necessary to write code which will handle multiple browsers although I tend to sneak as much in as time will allow.

However, lately there's been a move to wrote according to standard because of security and legal issues.

It will take a while for the results of this to be seen and in the meantime, some of the security fixes are going to screw us up.

Just to complicate things further there is currently reams of stuff in business environments right now that is unworkable in IE8 (that was written for IE) and requires a lot of tweaking to get it to work (and it's still inherently unstable).
Comment by Фелч Гроган on November 23, 2009 at 9:08am
@all - when in doubt, clear your cache, restart your browser. Ning leaves a lot to be desired as a platform.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on November 23, 2009 at 8:50am
@Trance -- Over the years, I've found that IE is the problem because the programmers write to that rather than the standards. "Wouldn't it be cool to use ...." sigh....
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 8:45am
@Glenn The new version of Firefox (which includes their latest security fix) is also messing some things up and not just on the Ning site. I've been forced to use IE (YUCK) to do some things.
Comment by Trance Gemini on November 23, 2009 at 8:43am
@Felch. Did all of that (sigh) but thanks anyway :-(

@Nerd. Will do. Thanks.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on November 23, 2009 at 8:41am
Related question. Anybody else have browser related issues? I prefer to use Opera (the latest) but some things (like The Nerd's tip below) don't work -- there is no follow button. And adding a comment doesn't always have the bold/italic/link/pic/etc bar. So I have to bounce back between Chrome and Opera. If I didn't like it here, I would do what I usually do when a site doesn't follow standards and give up on it for something that does.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on November 23, 2009 at 8:22am
@Trance - no idea. Checked your spam folder ? Try disabling, clearing your cache, restarting your browser and re-enabling alerts.
 

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