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"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Rudy V Kiist on November 28, 2009 at 12:23pm
And let's not forget the Pillsbury Doughboy...he does seem to enjoy being poked a lot (^_-)
Comment by Daniel W on November 28, 2009 at 11:41am
The Bert cartoon is beyond funny! As for all of the other supposedly gay characters.... I think there is a little projection going on there. And some religious demigoguery (Jery Farwell, Pat Robertson - the Tinkie Winkie 'outing', "Bert and Ernie", Barney the dinosaur). Probably a discussion topic on that somewhere. I prefer to think of the Marboro man and Mad Max as gay, but that's just my psychopathology.
Comment by sacha on November 28, 2009 at 1:39am
Comment by Фелч Гроган on November 27, 2009 at 6:26pm
Bert (click for full size) -

Comment by Rudy V Kiist on November 27, 2009 at 3:19pm
O.K. I just started here so I need to back up a bit...Velma's a lesbian? Had no idea. No wonder she's my fave (^_-). Then again, I had no idea Bert and Ernie were gay either till I was told so. I think it happened when the Americans took them from Canada. And the purple tele-tubby? Blew my mind! (^_^)

And yes, I do use the occasional emoticons (Grundgetta). It has come to my attention that people can't hear the tone of my voice on these things and I'd rather people think me weird or stupid than an ass (*_*)
Comment by sacha on November 27, 2009 at 2:16pm
In that same vein: Peanuts by Charles Bukowski
Comment by JayBarti on November 27, 2009 at 2:08pm
ROFL, that was one of the best summations of Scooby and the Gang I have ever read.
Comment by Nate on November 27, 2009 at 1:53pm
"My job is so fucking unbelievable. I'll try to sum it up by first telling you about the folks I work with:"

Best laugh I've had in along time. Thank you.
Comment by sacha on November 26, 2009 at 8:06pm
Hello all,
I've been busy with a lot of things and felch has graciously offered to write the guidelines and donate them to No Nonsense. I think he has captured what I am after. Look above and let me know if anything was missed.

Cheers
Comment by Фелч Гроган on November 26, 2009 at 7:58pm
"My job is so fucking unbelievable. I'll try to sum it up by first telling you about the folks I work with:"
 

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