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"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Jason Spicer on September 15, 2010 at 2:01pm
Daniel, that is the ugliest dog I have ever seen.
Comment by Sentient Biped on September 15, 2010 at 11:18am
Proving that QotD is WAY too deep for me.

Comment by Glenn Sogge on September 15, 2010 at 9:53am
QotD: "Few people would deny the need to explain unusual phenomena (e.g., flying hippos), but fewer would demand an explanation for what is common and ordinary (e.g., time), and it is precisely here where the task of the philosopher begins, first in making us de-familiarize ourselves with, and question the nature of, the ordinary, and then in attempting to explain it." ~ Article on The Principal of Sufficient Reason in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
Comment by sacha on September 13, 2010 at 11:45pm
quote of the day:

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"

(From Alice In Wonderland)
Comment by Sentient Biped on September 13, 2010 at 10:50am
Many in China distrust vaccines - no Zhenny McCarthy yet tho. China mass measles vaccination plan sparks outcry.

A few thoughts-
distrust of vaccines is not just an effete syndrome of silly coddled Westerners. some lessons for us.
Underlying causes of that distrust are an issue - see article.
China is ascendant - will replace US as dominant world power in this century (my opinion, but I think others feel that way). It's an aggressive nation and there is reason for concern. I always feel some schadenfreude when I see articles like this. Bad me.
Comment by Susan Stanko on September 13, 2010 at 10:49am
Talk about a reading comprehension problem.
Comment by sacha on September 13, 2010 at 2:09am
quote of the day:

"Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding."

-Ambrose Bierce
Comment by sacha on September 13, 2010 at 1:43am
Comment by Sentient Biped on September 12, 2010 at 6:54pm
Interesting. I've always respected CSM even tho the religion itself is so much hooey, and dangerous hooey at that - like many other religions. I just subscribed on my e-reader, based on IJM's recommendation - it's a 14-day free trial, so I like that. I don't know if reading liberal BS is an antidote to conservative BS. Although Dame Judy Dench did state in the Chronicles of Riddick that sometimes you have to fight evil with another kind of evil, or something like that. And I'll believe anything she says in a sci fi movie especially when referring to Vin Diesel.
Comment by Jason Spicer on September 12, 2010 at 4:26pm
I can't read the Christian Science Monitor because of the name and the BS of the founder. I hate the woo on HuffPo, but the politics and media sections are pretty good, especially Jason Linkins. You just have to ignore the woo-swamp of the Living and Religion sections and anything having to do with medicine. At minimum, HuffPo is a necessary political antidote to Faux News. Now if we can just come up with an online newspaper dedicated to actual fact regardless of topic...
 

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