No Nonsense

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov

The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella

The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Comment by sacha on July 21, 2010 at 3:17pm
quote of the day:

"Religion, unlike ethnicity, skin colour or disability, is a choice. As it's a choice its outward expression can be limited if it conflicts with the freedoms of others. Remove the privilege of protection from criticism and the influence and power of the religions should wane."

-funk Q
Comment by Christopher on July 20, 2010 at 8:55pm
I'm a bit of a amateur photographer, and will spend some time looking for a picture I really like to make my little posters with. I loved that one. I can't tell if he's "Goin Brokeback Mountain" or if he's Faustas whispering in the Devil's ear, because, if he did find Jesus in rehab, he's sold his "soul" one way or the other. I finally got the website all the way up, so now I'm back to playing with the mot posters.

I TOLD you there was no way I could resist using that quote of yours. I wouldn't be surprised if I used some more, but, of course, they will always be properly credited. I'm definitely going to have to do one about his mentor, Lee Atwater. Talk about a waste of human flesh...
Comment by Jason Spicer on July 20, 2010 at 4:44pm
Sure Eraserhead is symbolic. Of what, nobody knows. As far as I can tell, it's no more than an experiment in bringing a dreamscape to celluloid. I think it succeeds at that, but I don't think dreams mean much, generally.

I know Hollywood keeps two sets of books--one to show investors that they are making big money, and one to show the creative people that they're not. Isn't keeping two sets of books what got Al Capone in trouble?

I love the photo of W whispering sweet nothings in Rove's ear. Usually it was the other way 'round. Nice to know it wasn't unrequited love.
Comment by Christopher on July 20, 2010 at 2:26pm
re: Bill,
I have to side with Bill on this one. I've found movies to be entertaining, or visually pleasing, or have found characters or dialogue that I was fond of, but I've just never really had any apreciation of movies as an art form in the slightest.

And for my QOTD entry, allow me to submit the below listed "Spicerism". hehehehe

Comment by Little Name Atheist on July 20, 2010 at 8:31am
Thanks for that link Фелч. I saw a documentary sometime in the last twenty years that noted accountants were running Hollywood. I hope they get their comeuppance for cooking the books.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on July 20, 2010 at 1:14am
As for Hollywood accounting, that's here. The MPAA can give RIAA a good run for their money in terms of sheer, gobsmacking nonsense. Last year they simultaneously crowed about record breaking profits and record breaking losses due to piracy that was bringing the industry to it's knees - the academy award goes to expecting people to take them seriously at the same time. Hollywood must be destroyed - releasing one worthwhile piece of art a decade doesn't even come close to justifying it's existence.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on July 20, 2010 at 1:08am
Has the RIAA had returned even one cent from it's law suits to date? Not one. As Diogenes said when he saw the priests arrest a temple thief -

"The great thieves lead away the little thief."
Comment by Jason Spicer on July 19, 2010 at 10:56pm
Oh, yeah, I think the RIAA lawsuits against individual downloaders are insane. Not just morally wrong, but ultimately self-destructive to the music companies. Go ahead, piss off your customers. Dipshits.

Still, I'm kinda waiting for more artists to sell direct to consumers. I don't know why they don't all do it. It's not that hard.

Hollywood is a bit different. A band can make music for very little and sell it out of a basement. A blockbuster movie takes hundreds or thousands of people to create it, and millions of dollars. Say what you want about blockbusters, but people do enjoy them. I can't see how that will be a garage industry anytime soon.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on July 19, 2010 at 8:31am
@Bill - the deranged thinking qualifies them, yes.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on July 19, 2010 at 8:28am
I thought it was a song, "G-L-O-R-I-A-A!"

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