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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Michael Penn on August 18, 2014 at 9:41pm

Patricia, I would look for XBMC on the Internet, read all up on it, and find a device that would stream it. You can use androids aps for this also, and learn more about XBMC and  how to install it on You Tube.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 18, 2014 at 4:31pm

ARGH@JEEZ****WHAT THE F^^K##LETMEOUTOFHERE!!!

Comment by Grinning Cat on August 18, 2014 at 4:01pm

Zach Weiner's "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal" comic answers the question "How can you run a 'science channel' but have most of your shows be about ghosts and aliens and other nonsense?"

(click for the surprisingly rational answer in the full comic)

(h/t Friendly Atheist)

Comment by TNT666 on July 12, 2014 at 1:20am

I use a very small software called Cyber Ghost to view streaming from other countries. It slows things down some, but it's free

Comment by Michael Penn on July 11, 2014 at 5:29pm

In case you do not get it in Canada, do a Google search with words like "how to watch the Atheist Channel online."

Comment by Michael Penn on July 11, 2014 at 4:35pm

Thank you, Patricia, for that bit about Atheist TV. I see that it's streaming and they claim you can get it with a Roku box. Chances are that I can get it with my XBMC even though some factions of that are splitting. They want you to "chose sides" and I have effectively chosen both of them. I can stream almost anything that I want to at any time that I want to. Atheist TV will be big on my list.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 6, 2014 at 12:39pm
Comment by Jason Spicer on May 22, 2014 at 12:59am

It's probably never too early to start teaching people the rules of reason, though some of the fallacies and biases are kind of tricky to wrap your head around at any age. Still, putting one's conclusions into one's premises should be obvious nonsense even to children, but it is rampant because it can be hard to spot (and is pushed so universally by religious people). I'd also like to see a much greater emphasis on teaching statistics at earlier ages. College is too late to do the electorate much good.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 22, 2014 at 12:34am

Jason, it seems my comment did not get recorded about fallacies being taught at all levels, and I think even the elementary grades, is a good idea. I like cognitive biases and Sagan's book as well. Yes, necessary reading. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 22, 2014 at 12:31am

"If by whiskey" is new to me and a grand example of double speak.

 

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