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"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out" -unknown

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joseph P on August 31, 2013 at 10:07pm

That sounds a lot like the sort of thing I rail against.  Absolute certainty is a worthless standard to hold a claim to.  Any but the most dishonest theists (mostly the presuppositional apologetics idiots) admit to some degree of uncertainty in everything.  You can't know anything with absolute confidence, when you come right down to it.

It's stupid to expect absolute certainty from atheists, when you don't maintain that standard for anything else.  Forget default atheism, which is sufficient to embrace the label of atheist.  I'm a strong atheist, at least in regards to the Abrahamic god.  I'm positive that the god they worship doesn't exist, to any degree that it's worth worrying about certainty.

Comment by D R Hosie on August 31, 2013 at 9:48pm

Why so many still claim to be merely agnostic.

Re-examining our God of the gaps

Comment by D R Hosie on August 24, 2013 at 1:38pm

For anyone still in the dark about Bradley Manning, studies have shown ...

Bradley Manning's still a Good ol' Girl.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 24, 2013 at 9:35am

Thanks for the article Patricia.  For one thing, I'm happy to be reminded of the word phantasms.  It's going into my folder of words to remember associated with religion.

Comment by Patricia on August 22, 2013 at 3:51pm


I enjoyed this.

An atheist's guide to the good life
By: PZ Myers

Do you know why atheists are so happy? Because they're the freest people on Earth, and their only responsibilities are to their fellow human beings, not phantasms.

Comment by D R Hosie on August 20, 2013 at 6:08pm

Childhood religious indoctrination is Child Abuse.

Suffer not the little children

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on August 6, 2013 at 4:19pm

Comment by Patricia on July 17, 2013 at 1:56pm
Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 11:43pm

A good guide to logical fallacies, shared by Jen Phoenix in the Ex-Adventists group:

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

Quite a few examples illustrate unsound proofs for the (non)existence of God. In the "Appeal to Consequences" page, there's a revealing slip that made me smile:

Both of these arguments are fallacious because ... all they do is appeal to the consequences of belief in God.... Neither argument, though, provides any evidence for Santa’s existence.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 13, 2013 at 1:28pm

 

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