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"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Aaron Wiitanen on September 12, 2011 at 2:01pm
I sure hope that they had the proper haz-mat equipment to deal with such a catastrophe. Wouldn't want any of these idiots to become ill.
Comment by George on September 5, 2011 at 3:54am

@Mike K

That is very strange, I've never seen an email that doesn't even have a proper email address!  What  happens when  you click on "via"?

Comment by sacha on August 22, 2011 at 10:00am

That's very sweet Joseph, but I lived in Wisconsin, worked in Chicago, and spent time in Michigan.  Nothing at all similar.

I'll stick with NYC and SF if one must be in the US.

Comment by Joseph P on August 22, 2011 at 8:11am
Sacha, a lot of the northern Midwest is like the east coast.  Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan are pretty liberal and are union states.
Comment by Jaume on August 22, 2011 at 6:37am

I think it's just a rationalisation for how a believers beliefs could be true and there be unbelievers.

And I think this Wager is more masturbatory ratiocination than satisfactory rationalization.

Comment by Jason Spicer on August 22, 2011 at 12:00am
I blame Pascal. But no, one cannot choose one's beliefs; beliefs are compelled by evidence and reason. Some people just have very low evidentiary standards and poor reasoning skills.
Comment by sacha on August 21, 2011 at 11:29am


Ian:  "Perhaps they should throw the boy back and try prayer alone. That would really give some empirical data."

 

hahaha

Comment by sacha on August 21, 2011 at 11:26am

Mike,

It can be bloody annoying to be in the states, period.  I don't know how Dallas does it, there are the big cities on the East coast and the Big cities on the West Coast, and everything inbetween is another country. 

Comment by Jaume on August 21, 2011 at 4:24am

Don't need a Ph.D in psychology to work that out.

True. "God helps those who help themselves" is at least as old as Aesop, but some still get it the other way. But I looked up the phrase in Wikipedia, which says:

It is mistaken by many to be a Bible quote, however the phrase does not occur in the Bible. Some Christians have criticized it as actually against the Bible's basic message of God's grace.

At least they're consistent: actually trying to save the boy would be denying God's grace. It's obviously more important to preserve faith than to save lives.

Comment by Ian Mason on August 21, 2011 at 12:24am
How about the rescuers? Didn't they exist at all? It sounds like the result of guilt to me. NONE of the church group even attempted to DO anything practical so when someone else DOES do something that WORKS guilt hits hard. Don't need a Ph.D in psychology to work that out.

Perhaps they should throw the boy back and try prayer alone. That would really give some empirical data.
 

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