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Anti-pseudoscience, anti-woo, pro science, pro critical thinking, no conspiracy theories, no spin. Count the logical fallacies. No Nonsense!

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Patricia yesterday

Yeah well, xians went to Africa to rape/convert everyone too, & I've seen documentaries where the Africans are wearing large wooden crucifixes along with their own superstitious idols. Then I heard some phrase about the last thing Africa needs, is more religion!

Comment by Michael Penn yesterday

You might add "do you think you would believe in Jesus today if your slave ancestors had of all stayed in Africa?" The statement rings true with a sharp barb and has right wing believers actually using it to explain how slavery was a great service to black people. It allowed them to find Jesus.

How much more totally ignorant could you ever get?

Comment by Patricia yesterday

Comment by Joseph P on January 18, 2015 at 4:09pm

Sadly, they "demonstrate" it with bullshit setups.  They sip a tiny amount of highly diluted bleach.  The most you'll get from their demonstrations is a mildly upset digestive tract.

Pentecostals, your displays of faith aren't very impressive when any nonbeliever can do the same.  Get back to me when you're willing to chug a cup or two of bleach, straight from the bottle that I bring in myself.  I have too much practice as an amateur magician to trust anything you've handled yourselves.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 18, 2015 at 3:15pm

I would very much like to see that demonstrated.

Comment by Patricia on January 18, 2015 at 2:27pm

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Comment by Ian Mason on January 9, 2015 at 6:14am

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Comment by Idaho Spud on November 22, 2014 at 7:16am

Excellent GC!

Comment by Joseph P on November 22, 2014 at 5:01am

Ooh!  Ooh!  Pick me!  Pick me!

 

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