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Noam Chomsky

Noam Chomsky was voted to be the most important intellectual in the world. This group is for those who want to learn more about him.

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Comment by TNT666 on December 31, 2011 at 11:04pm

This is odd... in the group listing page, we can read that the latest activity here was Dec.21, 2011, yet, I can find no activity for a few months... How does that work?

Comment by Daniel on July 31, 2011 at 6:40am
In addition to youtube, Grooveshark has many items from Chomsky.

http://grooveshark.com/#/artist/Noam+Chomsky/39647
Comment by Gary Berg-Cross on November 12, 2010 at 11:13am
@ralph
"As for politically engaged linguists, I will have to stretch my memory to see who else there might be, but it will take some effort.'

You might try "Language and Politics" Edited by John Joseph whose blurb incudes:

"The intrinsic link between language and politics has long been recognized (for example, Aristotle wrote ‘… that man is more of a political animal than bees or any other gregarious animals is evident. Nature, as we often say, makes nothing in vain, and man is the only animal whom she has endowed with the gift of speech’ (Politics, 1, 2)). It remains a broad, flourishing, and highly contested area of academic study. On the one hand, it analyses how politicians use language, applying approaches which range from traditional rhetoric to Critical Discourse Analysis (CDA). On the other hand, it is also concerned with the political dimension that is arguably inherent in the use of all language.
"

:-)
Comment by Gary Berg-Cross on November 12, 2010 at 10:51am
It is probably better to say that Chomsky deconstructs others arguments and positions than being a Deconstructionist.

I've heard him say kinder things about Anarchists than most. For example there are thins in his interveiw with Tom Lane
ZNet, December 23, 1996 called "On Anarchism" in which he cautions that it is difficult to predict what particular forms a more just social organization will take, or even to know for sure what alternatives to the current system are ideal. Only experience can show us the best answers to these questions, he says. What should guide us along the way are a general set of principles which will underly whatever specific forms our future society will take. For Chomsky, those principles arise from the historical trend of thought and action known as anarchism.

See http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19961223.htm
Comment by Ralph Dumain on November 12, 2010 at 9:39am
Chomsky is not a deconstructionist, and I'm sure despises everything connected with deconstructionism. Chomsky is a radical who doesn't have much use for liberals, as he opposed them as an anti-war activist during the Vietnam era. Lakoff on the other hand is a mainstream liberal. As for politically engaged linguists, I will have to stretch my memory to see who else there might be, but it will take some effort.
Comment by Gary Berg-Cross on November 12, 2010 at 9:23am
Chomsky is a very informed deconstructionist. Is there another of him on the horizon? Hard to say, perhaps people can suggest candidates.

One tradition that seems to hold up is that some people who study language have a passion about it that travels from the academic to the public arena. George Lakoff, for example, works on Cognitive Linguistics which is well distinct from Chomsky's syntactic approach, and he has been very vocal on the issue of how political issues are framed and how language is distorted.
Comment by Daniel on October 29, 2010 at 11:49pm
Called it...

Comment by Daniel on July 6, 2010 at 4:56am
You created the Noam Chomsky group and also watch TYT daily? Statistical evidence already! =)

Chomsky isn't mentioned on the show much but they have reviewed The Corporation (a documentary) so Cenk is at least aware of Chomsky to some unknown extent.

Perhaps there is no significant influence between them but that is part of the question I'm trying to answer, how should I weigh the theory to the evidence? I think it would add less credibility if Cenk was fitting his understanding of the world to Chomsky's description rather than the analysis being a means in of itself, even if the modeling of viewpoints was accidental. I know that brings up other issues of credibility and how it should be measured but I'm just laying the ground work.

They both reach many of the same conclusions as you noted with economic, political and media issues. Perhaps each conclusion was reached separately by different methodologies.

ie.
Chomsky figures out why the media works the way it does using theory then describes and evaluates it where as Cenk measures the way media works (~3hrs of reporting on the news a day) and then creates a data driven description of why the media works the way it does. Both individuals ideas inevitably have reached similar/same underlying theories with differences in overall scope.

Another reason I ask is that since I'm fairly new to many of Chomsky's ideas, some sound ...conspiratorial? Then I look at his credentials and go well... it is a tough fight he is engaged in of that I have no doubt. Chomsky has addressed this issue formally but I wasn't satisfied; his argument made sense but relied on circular logic so I can't simply validate his points logically as I would expect from a good theory, I have to measure them.
Comment by Daniel on July 4, 2010 at 6:37pm
I've been a listener of The Young Turks for some time and recently became interested in Chomsky again through politics this time instead of through linguistics. Does anyone else listen to TYT and have you noticed significant Chomsky influence?
Comment by Ralph Dumain on March 24, 2010 at 7:39am
I could barely stay awake through this.
 

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