Life After Christian Fundamentalism

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Life After Christian Fundamentalism

Recovering from the side effects of Christian fundamentalism is not easy.

•The ongoing fear of Hell
•Rejection from family members
•Ongoing guilt
•Loss of community

If you can relate, join.
This is not a debate group.

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Latest Activity: Dec 17, 2013

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This group was born out of my meeting with Nate Phelps during the American Atheist Convention in Atlanta.

My wife Angela and I took Nate and his fiancée Angela out to enjoy the evilness of The Varsity. Almost instantly we hit it off, and felt like we had been friends for years. Not only did we have similar backgrounds, but we all shared the desire to help others who were leaving Christian fundamentalism.

I asked Nate to write about his experiences in Atlanta on my blog Life Without Faith. He graciously accepted and you can read it here.

As support for this group, Nate has graciously allowed Atheist Nexus to post the entire transcript of his Atlanta speech. It is long, emotionally moving, and a must read. Check it out here.

Below is a documentary on Nate's Family entitled, "Fall From Grace." Play All Videos In Order (8)

Here is a recent news story featuring my former church:

Brother Richard

Nate's Website: Nate Phelps
My Personal Website: Life Without Faith

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Comment by Steph S. on January 1, 2013 at 11:11am

Thanks Richard for posting bible morality. The bible has no morality as anyone who reads it can clearly see.

Comment by Chris Loren on December 17, 2012 at 12:07am

Love the title....Life after Christian is way better

Comment by Steph S. on July 17, 2012 at 12:15pm

Cool Richard I will look into buying that book ans thanks for all the posts.

Comment by Richard Goscicki on July 17, 2012 at 11:52am

Del, Thanks for the comment.  Barbara's allowed me to use Bible Morality as an epilogue to Mirror Reversal.  Just click on the "Atheist Novel" ad to the right.  "Most information and entertainment you could possibly buy for five bucks." 

I told Barbara, "I love it.  It knocks them on the head with their own beliefs."  lol 

 

Comment by Del Watts on July 17, 2012 at 10:54am

Hi, new here...and I just want to say, the content in the comment below about "Bible Morality" has blown my mind!..I had no idea :\

Definitely going to buy that book.. Thanks for posting.

Comment by Richard Goscicki on July 4, 2012 at 9:11am

Jason, now that you’re out of a mental cage you can form your own opinions.  I was told in Catholic school that life is meaningless without God.  Rubbish. 

Generally speaking, as we take on a more Darwinian worldview, we see mankind as just another mammal capable of thought.  We’re a step ahead of the chimps, you might say.  The fact that we evolved out of nature gives us plenty reason to live.  It’s been my contention on these boards that once mythology is behind us, humans can continue to evolve.

 

Comment by Franklin Bacon on July 4, 2012 at 8:43am

It is most odd that religions attempt to practice psychology without having pertinent studies at hand.  We are brought up from very early in formative years, or when in a life crisis, given "answers" based on the desires of primitive authority figures or ancient clergypersons.  Every scientific study that confirms a new method of thinking about issues makes us stop and reassess our former beliefs, but religion is immobile and stagnant, adding nothing to the discussion.

Comment by Jason Allen Skelton on July 4, 2012 at 7:50am

I struggled in my Christian faith for many years, with wild swings in both positive and negative directions.  After more than 30 years of faith, last year I decided to make a conscious decision to step away and explore other religions.  Living in such an un-diverse un-inspiring area, finding a new religion ment choosing methodist over southern baptist.  In doing so I was ashamed, embarrassed and the guilt became unbearable.  I wasn't an Atheist, I just put an end to my "relationship".  So for a little more than a year my shame and my guilt grew.  A couple nights ago I found the answer I've been searching for.  An amazing couple hosting the West Alabama Free Thought Association agreed to meet over dinner.  They listened to my troubles.  They LISTENED.  They cared.  These aren't the Atheist I was taught about in Bible School.  This couple let me reach my own conclusions as we discussed some of the major themes of guilt, shame and religion.  Last night after another wonderful dinner I sat at the park contemplating everything that I learned and compared it to everything I know and believe.  If there is no god, there is no sin.  The realization was hard to swallow.  But I felt the shackles loosen their icy grip.  I could finally breath.  An idea dug in.  How can one be happy, in the grip of a religion that centers around fear and guilt.  One can not be free in slavery.  Today truly feels like the first day of the rest of my life.  I expect good days will blend with the bad days.  I expect tragedy will match against wonderment.  But Right now it feels good to be free.  And I am not ashamed.

Comment by Selina Mannion on May 5, 2012 at 10:32am

hey guys I am writing a book on people leaving their religion. I left islam and my story will be included. about 15 pages is deal. I am creating an anthology will on story from each religion will be included. if I have an takers PLEASE message me

Comment by Richard Goscicki on January 14, 2012 at 9:27am

Ruth Anthony-Gardner suggested I post the eminent author, Barbara G. Walker's, latest essay here.  My blog is hereto see other comments.  The work speaks for itself.  I'm amused how weak atheists try to defend the indefensible.  I wouldn’t be surprised if, having finished it, you scratch your head and say to yourself, “How the heck can people believe this stuff?”   

To me, the work is brilliant because first, Barbara is brilliant and second, it brings out in clear inarguable format just how whacky and bizarre (my words) the Holy Scriptures are.   

I’m sure you’ll enjoy this one, as I did.

To wit: 

 

 

BIBLE MORALITY (compiled by Barbara Walker, author of Man Made God.)

Barbara asked me to add that this is from the King James Bible, as modern-day evangelicals have expurgated much of the really stupid and hostile quotations. 

This compilation is incontrovertible, conspicuous proof that the Bible is a book written by idiots for idiots. 

Read on, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.  As always, comments are encouraged and welcome. 

Rich

*****

BIBLE MORALITY (compiled by Barbara Walker )

 

1. KILLING.  (As in "Thou shalt not"???)

 

          The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7.   The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

 

Gen. 22:2 - God accepts human sacrifices (including that of Jesus, later).

Ex. 12:29 - God kills all the firstborn in the land of Egypt.

Ex. 15:3 - God is a god of war.

Ex. 21:15,17 - Anyone who strikes or curses a parent must be killed.

Ex. 22:18 - Every witch must be killed.

Ex. 22:19,20 - You must kill anyone who "lieth with a beast," or who

          worships any god other than Yahweh.

Ex. 31:15 - Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be killed.

Lev. 20:10,13,27 - You must kill adulterers, homosexuals, wizards, and

          spirit mediums.

Lev. 21:9 - Any priest's daughter who fornicates must be burned alive.

Lev. 24:16 - Blasphemers must be killed.

Deut. 3:4 - God is pleased that his warriors destroyed 60 cities.

Deut. 7:16 - You must kill all the people God delivers into your hands, and

          "thine eye shall have no pity upon them."

Deut. 13:5 - Any prophet or "dreamer of dreams," who serves another

          god, must be killed.

Deut. 13:6-9 - If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tempts you to

          worship other gods, "thou shalt surely kill him."

Deut. 13:15 - If the people of any city worship other gods, you must

          slaughter them all, including their cattle.

Deut. 17:5 - Any man or woman who worships other deities of sun, moon,

           or stars must be stoned to death.

Deut. 18:20 - False prophets must be killed.

Deut. 20:16,17 - God commands complete destruction of all Hittites,

          Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, and "thou

          shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."

Deut. 22:21 - A bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death.

Deut. 22:22 - Adulterers must be killed,

Deut. 22: 23,24 - A girl who is raped within city limits, and fails to cry out,

          must be killed.

Deut. 28:22-27 - If you don't obey God's commandments, he will punish

          you with consumption, fever, extreme burning, blasting, mildew,

          hemorrhoids, the scab, the itch, the botch of Egypt, etc., etc.

Josh. 6:21 - God's warriors destroyed Jericho and killed every man,

          woman, child, and domestic animal.

Josh. 8:25 - God's warriors killed 12,000 people in the city of Ai.

Josh. 19:47 - The children of Dan wanted more room, so they destroyed

          the whole population of Leshen and took their territory.

Judges 1:17,18 - Judah and Simeon utterly destroyed the populations of

          Zephath, Gaza, Askelon and Ekron.

Judges 11:39 - In accord with God's law, Jephthah was forced to burn his         virgin daughter to death as a sacrifice.

Judges 15:15 - God enables Samson to kill 1,000 men with the jawbone

          of an ass.

Judges 20:46 - At Gibeah, Benjamin's men killed 25,000 people and

          burned every town.

1 Sam. 6:19 - God kills 50,070 people for trying to peek into the Ark.

1 Sam. 15:3 - God commands the destruction of Amalek: "Slay both men

          and women, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

2 Sam. 6:7 - God kills Uzzah for touching the Ark, even though he was

          trying to save it from falling off its oxcart.

1 Kings 18:40 - God commands the slaughter of "prophets of Baal".

1 Kings 20:35 -  Because a man didn't "obey the voice of the Lord," a lion

          was sent to kill him.

2 Kings 2:24 - God sent bears to tear apart 42 children for making fun of

`        Elisha's bald head.

2 Kings 10:25 - God commands the killing of a multitude in the temple of

          Baal.

2 Kings 19:35 - God's angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in a single night.

1 Chron. 21:14 - God kills 70,000 Israelites with a pestilence.

2 Chron. 15:13 - Any man or woman who refuses to "seek the Lord God

          of Israel" must be killed.

Job 1 - God arranges the killing of Job's children, servants, and animals.

Isa. 13:16 - God promises that all the Babylonians' children will be

          "dashed to pieces before their eyes;" their wives will be raped.

Isa. 46:7 - God says "I create evil."

Jer. 48:10 - Killing for God is mandatory; God curses anyone who

          "keepeth back his sword from blood."

Jer. 50:21 - God commands that the people of Merathaim and Pekod be

          "utterly destroyed."

Ezek. 9:5,6,7 - God calls for purging in Jerusalem: "let not your eye spare,

          neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids and

          little children, and women... fill the courts with the slain."

Ezek. 35:8 - God promises to fill the mountains, hills, valleys and rivers

          with slain men.

Nahum 1:2 - God is jealous, full of vengeance and wrath.

Zeph. 1:3 - God threatens to destroy everything, man and beast, birds     and fishes.

Zeph. 1:18 - "The whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his

          jealousy."

Zeph. 3:6 - God brags that he has destroyed many nations.

Zech. 13:3 - A false prophet must be killed by his father and mother.

 

2. RAPE

 

Ex. 21:7,8 - A father may sell his daughter to be a "maidservant" (or sex

          slave) who must "please her master."

Num. 31:18 - God orders his warriors to kill every living thing in a

          captured city, except the virgin girls, who are to be raped and

          turned into sex slaves.

Deut. 21:11,12 - If a warrior likes the look of a female war captive, he

          can take her to be one of his "wives."

Deut. 22:28, 29 - A man who rapes a virgin may take her for a wife if he

          pays her father 50 shekels of silver. (Yet a bride found not to be a

          virgin must be killed - Deut. 22).

Judges 5:30 - The spoils of war include "a damsel or two" for every man.

Judges 21:12, 28 -  God's warriors killed all the inhabitants of Jabesh-      gilead except for 400 virgin girls, who were taken as slaves.

          If there are not enough girls to go around, God's warriors may raid

          neighboring towns for more to rape.

 

3. SLAVERY

 

Gen. 9:25 - God cursed Ham, son of Noah, with perpetual slavery for the

          crime of seeing his father naked.  (Ham was formerly considered

          the ancestor of all Negroes.)

Ex. 21:4 - A male slave may marry and have children, and may go free    after six years; but his family remains the property (or hostages?) of     his master.

Ex. 21:7 - A man may sell his daughter as a sex slave.

Ex. 21:20,21 - A man may be punished for beating a male or female slave

          to death, but if the victim survives the beating for a few days, then

          there is no penalty.

Eph. 6:5 - Paul says slaves must obey their masters "with fear and

          trembling."

Titus 2:9 - Paul says slaves must obey and please their masters.

1 Tim. 6:1 - Paul says slaves must "count their masters worthy of all

          honor."

 

4. WAS JESUS ETHICAL?

 

Matt. 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man           who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you           must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.

Matt. 6:19,34 - Jesus says don't save any money, and don't plan ahead.

Matt. 8:32 - Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd

          of someone else's pigs.

Matt. 10:34 - Jesus says he brings not peace on earth, but "a sword."

Matt. 19:12 - Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into

          heaven is to have himself castrated.

Mark 11:13 - Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.

Mark 14:4-7 - Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious

          ointment than to give to the poor.

Luke 12:47,48 - Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.

Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his

          parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.

Luke 19:27 - Jesus says anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.

John 15:6 - Jesus says anyone who doesn't believe in him must be

          burned. 

Acts 5:5-10 -  Ananias and his wife Sapphira  were killed for withholding

          money from the church.

2 John 1:10,11 - A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-

          Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on parting.

 

5. WOMEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

 

1 Cor. 11:3-10 - Women are inferior "because man was not created for    woman, but woman was created for man."  Every woman "while        praying or prophesying" must have her head covered "because of     the angels," meaning the spirits (it used to be believed that women's          hair attracts spirits).

1 Cor. 14:34,35 - Women must not speak in church.  If they want to ask

          questions, they must learn from their husbands at home.

Eph. 5:22 - Wives must submit to their husbands as they would to God.

1 Tim. 2:11-14 - A woman must not teach, or hold authority over a man,

          but must "learn in silence with all subjection," because "Adam was

          not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the

          transgression."  (So, being gullible is the original sin.)

1 Tim. 5:9 - Paul says the only women acceptable by the council of

          elders are devout, monogamous women over the age of sixty.

 

 

6. SILLINESS

 

Gen. 1:11-12 - God made all green plants on the third day of creation,

          but neglected to supply the sun (on which both plants and "days"

          depend) until the fourth day.

Gen. 6:6,7 - Because a few people displeased him, God "repented"

          having made the world, and decided to destroy all life on earth.

Deut. 25:11,12 - A woman who seizes a man's genitals, even to defend   her husband from an attacker, must have her hand cut off.

James 5:14,15 - Prayer by the elders of the church is the only sure cure

          for sickness.  (Christian Science, anyone?)

 

Which Ten Commandments do you prefer?  Ex. 20, Ex. 34, Deut. 5, or

          Deut. 27?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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