Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.


There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).


What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.


Resources  factsheet.  main page  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project


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Comment by Daniel W on March 23, 2012 at 8:23am

Tony, I agree that there is some movement.  In the Mississipi case that you mention, James Anderson was brutally murdered by white teenagers, who were looking for a black man to harass (and kill, since that's what they did).  Mississippi currently has death penalty, and there are 66 people on death row in Mississippi.  In a case that was torture, premeditated murder, and hate crime as motivation, why wasn't the death penalty given here?  It's a complicated argument for me, since I am against execution.  This is one of the reasons why - it is meted out in a racially biased way.

Comment by Tony Carroll on March 22, 2012 at 11:44pm

Hi, SB. It can be done. Reaing, trying to catch up on some news, when I read about a 19 y.o. kid in Mississippi sentenced to a life in prison yesterday for killing an African American . Hate crime. Yes. You go, Mississippi! Florida, watch and learn.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on March 22, 2012 at 11:39pm

From Greg Laden's blog, 

Sanford Police Chief Steps Down!

Comment by Daniel W on March 22, 2012 at 12:21pm

I think this needs to be viewed as a hate crime.  Zimmerman may be protected by the "Stand Your Ground" law although there is controversy about that.

Comment by Tony Carroll on March 21, 2012 at 1:03am

Eternal vigilence. That is what we as a nation must do. The people we train and hire to protect us, police, lawyers, judges, must be held to a higher standard. We depend on them. They must be above reproach. They appear to be passing the buck on this case. Hopefully the grand jury will bring their sense of justice to bear on this case. Will keep close watch on this one.

Comment by David Philip Norris on March 20, 2012 at 11:48pm

As far as Zimmerman goes, the last I heard is that this case is heading to a grand jury on April 10th to determine whether there is enough to indite him with charges, which sadly sounds like a passing of the buck. This whole thing sounds suspicious, from police claiming that the guy's record is "squeaky clean" (if you can call charges of battery against an officer and resisting arrest clean) to him basically taking on the role of neighborhood vigilante. This case is not being handled well.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on March 20, 2012 at 9:06pm

"Im not sure what the federal case is - civil rights violation? "

Best case scenario is that it's it's a conspiracy angle as well, in regards to what's really starting to look like a cover-up.

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2012 at 8:56pm

Richard, I agree.  Where I see a modicum of hope is that the feds responded to national outcry.  I hope they follow through.  Meanwhile the locals are going to get more pressure.  I hope they give into it and prosecute Zimmerman.  I don't think there's anything preventing them,, even if they declined earlier.  Still, not living in the area, I don't know the politics  Maybe the local prosecutor CAN get away with not prosecuting.  Im not sure what the federal case is - civil rights violation?  

Comment by Richard ∑wald on March 20, 2012 at 7:23pm

Talk about "wrongful execution" …and State sanctioned to boot… Fucking disgusting.

Comment by Richard ∑wald on March 20, 2012 at 7:22pm

Florida state law is pretty fucked up here, shoot first check for weapons later...

"Officer, I didn't see a gun, but …he might have had one so I shot him."

George Zimmerman stalked and killed a teenager who had legitimate reason to be where he was. If he isn't charged with murder, prosecuted and found guilty, it may as well be declared "open season" on young black men in Florida.


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