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Started by jlaz Jun 2, 2013.
Started by Diana D. Last reply by Alan Perlman Apr 15, 2013.
Started by Cecilia. Last reply by Michael Pianko Mar 20, 2013.
Alan- I am enjoy some of its ideas and reject many others just as I do everything I read and study. I have five young children and speaking in images helps them grasp a real life concept sometimes. Its the same thing as telling a fable with the intent of teaching a lesson through it. Its not literal.
Michael- at the risk of being quickly unpopular here, I think you should allow your brother and his wife to do what they feel is best for their son. Now, I am not saying I condone the practice- I have five girls so I have never really had to think about it- just that I am certain their intent is not to do damage to their child.
Yesterday my brother and his wife had a son. They are Jewish. My family is Jewish. They are going to have the son circumcised. Of course, circumcision is serious abuse and its massively weird that Jewish parents have to pay someone to cut off part of their son's crotch (the crotch, of all body parts?!!). The practice should not exist. You knew that, right??
No mystery to it - tikkun olam is known in English as charity/altruism/social justice/environmental responsibility. I'm not a big fan of Kabbala.
I guess the concept of tikkun olam to me is the sum of all the positive things we do in life. I try to explain to my kids that it is like a puzzle and every time we do some kind or thoughtful act we are putting pieces of the puzzle back together. That's kind of a Kabbalistic concept but it is a concrete image they can grasp.
Leila, you got it right! And I DON'T think the majority of religious Jews think they should rule over others and keep them in line on religion. They DO want to bring us "lost" Jews back into the Orthodox fold, but all you have to do is say "no, thank you". I've had very polite interactions with them. But I also never strayed into their territory without showing respect, just as I do with all cultures' customs. When I was in Japan, I took off my shoes before entering a house, and when I have been in Orthodox company, I don't wear "immodest" clothing. It's no skin off my back not to offend people. If I went to an Arab country (which I never will) I would wear head covering too.
Yea i assumed so,
But the Phrase 'TikkunOlam' reminds me of the "task" those religious people take upon themselves to rule over others and create laws and regulations or control others to keep them into the line of religion, so its a real Tikkun Olam before the Mushiach arrives.....
I guess as an Atheist, its all about being yourself without any restrictions, being there for others just because they are human beings, and not because its a Tikkun. :)
I think she just meant practicing the concept of tikkun olam- repairing the world- and living in a way that does harm to as little as possible. Not trying to put words in her mouth, but that's how I understood it.
Its amazing how important these groups and sites are to our soul, and i would love "PILPUL" too...lol.
But what did you mean by "live properly and practice tikkun olam"? Do you believe in Tikunim? pls explain..
Haven't visited this group in awhile, but have thoughts! First is I love the fact that I have found a place that I can Jewishly call home. I'm uncomfortable with services and prayers, which is why I don't go to temple, but I LOVE "pilpul" -- discussing and arguing back and forth about the ethics of current problems. For me, ethics and philosophy are the only part of "religion" that really resonate -- I am not much of a holiday person, and the only life cycle event that's left for me is when I die, and I just want to be quietly cremated -- I'm not worried about rolling through the tunnels to Jerusalem to be resurrected! :-)
As far as sliding into a preoccupation with Tanach (I don't like the world Bible, because that means Christian Bible to me), it's just like the Greek, Roman and Norse myths we studied in school. Interesting window into an ancient culture, especially since there are more than stories -- there is oral genealogy written down, laws, poetry, allegory -- all of it providing a reasonably good picture of the culture over a certain time span. The Talmud takes this even further: it's the place where the rabbis argued their cases, and some, but not all, can be applied to modern life as well. Interestingly, my nephew, who was raised by a Christian Atheist mother, and my also-Jewish atheist brother, studied a little bit of the Talmud in a philosophy class and said that if he was any religion, he would be Jewish. Well, OK, he's not Halachically Jewish, but he knows what his father's heritage is, and it pleased me that he got the REAL point of being intellectually and humanistically Jewish.
So, I WOULD love to be a member of a group that discussed Jewish issues and stances on current events, as well as how to live properly and practice tikkun olam, but there is no such group in Reno, and I need to participate more online.
Third thought is, I stopped participating in many of the other groups here because there is a lot of anti-Semitism among those who post. It bothers me when they lump Judaism in with Christianity and Islam and assume they are the same, and portray us in the same idiotic proselytizing and controlling manner. The real world battle at the moment is between Christianity and Islam -- the Jews make up such a tiny fraction of the world population, and as always, just want to be left alone. Even the very religious have no desire to interact with, much less convert or conquer the rest of the world. So I don't like hostile generalizations about the "Abrahamic faiths". Which is why I really stopped coming here, but I don't want to abandon this group, or one other group, which is Atheist Ailurophiles. I'm just sick of people making pronouncements about Judaism when they don't know what the hell they are talking about and are ULTRA sure of themselves.
Anyway, enough rambling -- at least you know I'm here! :-)
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