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Comment by Ralph Dumain on February 27, 2010 at 4:25pm
Phil is correct on all counts. On the myth of the Judaeo-Christian tradition, see my blog:

"Judaeo-Christian tradition, American civil religion, Anti-Semitism, Jeremiah Wright"
Comment by Adam on February 27, 2010 at 1:34pm
@Phil So true. I take just as much pride in the agnostic intellectual Yiddish culture as any other par of Judaism, if not more. They focused on fiction, theatre and political theory and dissent. Often they were unconcerned with god, if not outright atheistic. They were also, without a doubt, a Jewish community. The culture I take pride in isn't about what's happened to us. It's what we've accomplished.
Comment by Ruthe on February 27, 2010 at 12:13pm
Not historical. So what? Still appreciate our Jewish history, factual and fictional alike.
Comment by Ralph Dumain on February 27, 2010 at 11:31am
Presumably not, but the question is about real history apart from Biblical narratives.
Comment by Adam on February 27, 2010 at 11:24am
@Ralph That would be telling. Heh.

But what I've read is that archeological evidence points to the work force that built the pyramids being well paid. Also, the earliest known documents that tell of Jews in Egypt put them there well after the pyramids were built. They came in with the Persians and were actually part of a force sent to aid the Egyptians.

I haven't tracked the source, but Brian Dunning reports that there are ancient writings that have some of these early Jews owning Egyptian slaves.
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on February 27, 2010 at 11:12am
There was no mass exodus. No evidence for that. I refer you to Hitchens book, he explains it so well. But there are other sources.

The kicker is that later in history, the jews kept slaves, we keep forgetting to mention that to our kids.
Comment by Ralph Dumain on February 27, 2010 at 11:01am
#6: Are you saying that there never was Jewish slavery in Egypt, period? Be seeing you.
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on February 27, 2010 at 10:58am
Oooo! I like this 5th child. Genius.
Comment by Jennifer Kaufman on February 27, 2010 at 10:57am
Their house their rules. I think it is part of using religion against me. My husband and I are the lost atheists, but they keep pushing with the kid. Sometimes, don't you have to draw a line in the sand? Why is tradition more important than lying to children?
Comment by Adam on February 27, 2010 at 10:55am
I would just try to take the seder as a cultural history lesson. While the story of Jewish slavery in Egypt has been found to be pretty much bunk it is historical fact that Jews have been telling the Exodus story for ages. While the narrative itself is historically inaccurate the seder is true in terms of cultural history. Another idea is to invent the idea of a 5th child, the skeptical child to asks the questions that make the adults uncomfortable with their own dogma and religious assumptions.

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