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Circumcision

Started by Freethinker31. Last reply by Freethinker31 Sep 19. 4 Replies

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Comment by jlaz on July 31, 2014 at 10:19pm

HI Freethinker31:

One thing I do sometimes is say that I'm a member of the "Tribe of Israel".  I think some folks get that claiming to be a member of a "Tribe" doesn't necessarily bring into play the assumption that one believes in the creation myths of the tribe.

I guess there's a  case to be made for claiming to be culturally or geographically or tribally or politically Jewish, depending on this or that.  I try to be careful and self-respecting as to not trying to claim too much of a connection to Judaism.  If I am honest about it, regardless of assurances from this or that person or Clergy, then to me (my judgment) one of the main defining and central thing about Judaism (if not the defining things) is believing in and dedicating oneself to God and the Torah, and I'm definitely not a believer in God, nor dedicated to the Torah.

With that said, there is plenty of precedent for claiming some sort of grey area and a lot of Jews, both famous and not famous have either been outright atheists or sort of semi-agnostics or atheists.  There is also, explicitly, a small movement within Judaism formalizing the practice of the religion but without a belief in God (Secular Humanist Judaism I believe).  I'm not ultra-recommending it, only mentioning that it's kind of interesting that it even exists... I don't know that there could be a "Christian Atheism" but there's a certain amount of "Jewish Atheism".

I've found in watching conversations over the years that Christians who break away and become atheists seem to be interested at times in somewhat different topics and may have been through a somewhat tougher time than Jews, particularly if one didn't have a particularly observant Jewish upbringing.

I've found at times that's interesting to contemplate what it means to be a Jewish atheist, but then at other times for me it gets to be a somewhat old or tired topic

Anyway, those are some initial thoughts.  

Comment by Freethinker31 on July 31, 2014 at 11:38am

Hello everyone.....I am a recent  `convert'  to Atheism......I was born and raised Jewish but was never  really into it that much...Mainly  because  my parents were  not really into it....The more I learned  what was in the Bible, Old Testament, the more disillusioned  I was...Since I no longer  believe in a god,nor believe  in the fables in the old  testament, nor do I believe  in eating Kosher..(I love  all shellfish )...am I still Jewish?   I still feel  quite  strongly   about  Israel  and  give  to the JNF annually....I like to think of myself  as Jewish  by ethnicity but not by religious belief....I would  appreciate  any comment.      

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 14, 2014 at 4:09pm

How one woman got a religious group to stop their unwanted daily 7 a.m. texts to Knesset staffers:

"Mysterious Group Sends Knesset Staffers Text Messages Telling Them To Put On Tefillin To "Bring The Redemption," Staffers Fight Back, Win"

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/06/mysterio...

After complaints to the group got no response, and the police said there was nothing illegal about the repeated texts, "Lior Finkel had an idea.... [she] put on tefillin, took a picture and sent the picture to 'The Light for Tefillin.' The 7 am messages stopped cold."

Lior Finkel tefillin

The Jerusalem Post quoted her: “The next day, the harassment stopped. I guess they were right – I put on tefillin, and redemption came.”

<grin!>

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 14, 2014 at 3:52pm

This cartoon alludes to religion as a mechanism to implant shared stories and "memories".

Interesting how the forehead cylinders suggest tefillin.

(Thanks to Ruth Anthony-Gardner for sharing this cartoon in the "Transhumanists" group.)

Comment by jlaz on January 18, 2014 at 2:21pm

Hi Michael - 

You can meet atheist girls on jdate.com (Jewish Atheists) but it requires some persistence.  Perhaps more logical to try to make use of some of the atheist and geek socializing and dating sites out there.  
I also think meetup.com is excellent for meeting with people of common interests such as local meetings of atheists or (in your case) maybe joggers, musicians, book-readers, etc.).


Comment by Michael Pianko on January 3, 2014 at 8:31pm

I like bowling and playing guitar and sometimes reading books and I try to jog or do various exercises regularly. In case I have a kid I would want to prevent him from getting circumcised and I would want my kid to be smart enough to not let people brainwash him into a religion.

Comment by jlaz on December 30, 2013 at 1:12am

Michael, I do think it's possible to meet girls who share common interests and who are either outright atheists or who do not care about religion.  In my view it's perhaps a matter of keeping an open mind to a variety of interests, and perhaps also availing yourself of atheist-specific socializing and dating sites.

Comment by Michael Pianko on December 26, 2013 at 12:02am

I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in the north west Detroit suburbs. Now I live on east side of the northern Detroit suburbs. Sometimes I go to meetings of an atheist group which meets in a room they reserve in a restaurant. The last Jewish event I went to was in August 2010. Now how am I going to find a girl who is compatible with me and doesn't care that I don't pay attention to religion? 

Comment by Alan Perlman on December 15, 2013 at 8:56pm

Michael, I don't find you offensive, and your question is a good one.  In the past few years, I've had nothing to do with Judaism (easy in New Hampshire) and have not missed anything.

Comment by Michael Pianko on December 15, 2013 at 2:34pm

I suppose there is no way to say this without seeming so flippantly offensive that you will wish I would die, but I am actually Jewish according to heritage due to pure genetic accident, so why would I want my life to revolve around something that is only due to pure genetic accident? In addition I am one of the few circumcised men who really actually realizes what I am missing. I consider rape a combination between something sexual and violence. So Judaism is my rapist. Now why would I want to go to celebrations or holidays sponsored by my rapist? But the reason you understand that female circumcision should not exist is because it is done is somebody eltses culture. And then you get all hostile and offended at me because I am making you feel guilty about yourself.

 

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