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Still looking for more people to join our Freethinkers discussion group in Madison. We also have a book club meeting once a month.
Doesn't look like anyone has been here in a long time.
Nope. About 50 miles north in Fremont
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I think our differences in opinion may come down to your thought that the purpose of schools are to be baby sitters. While I know that some of what I was taught in school in the 70s turned out to be false, at least I know that they taught me the best knowledge they had to offer at the time. I don't think today's students deserve any less.
I never said that I thought we should try to "keep kids from hearing about religion" (or maybe you weren't responding to me). I actually said that I think religion should be taught - but not taught as fact. There is a difference between teaching children about what people believe in the world (very important), as opposed to teaching them that those beliefs are as valid as scientific fact (very disturbing).
To me, it would be akin to a health teacher teaching students that there are two theories about birth: One is biological and one involves a stork. Just because some people may believe in the "stork theory" doesn't mean it should be presented as an alternate theory. I'm sure we could find other nonsensical stork-like theories throughout history as well. Should we teach them all and let the students decide? (Maybe we could sell those kids some "stork repellant" and tell them it prevents teen pregnancy.)
I know we know a lot more about how babies are conceived than we do about how humans came to be. We don't have all the answers to this yet and it's okay to tell students that we're unsure about a lot of things. It's not that I'm "afraid of opposing ideas", I just feel strongly that when we have mountains of documented scientific proof against a "theory" (eg. creationism), that it's simply ridiculous to present it to children as a real possibility.
Children absolutely should learn all about religion. It's a huge part of our world. Keeping it from them would be like telling them there are no internet scammers. They need to be aware that there are many people out there who are selling products that don't exist. Some of the salespeople don't even know there is no product. Some of the salespeople are as smooth as salespeople. I don't want our teachers to sell it. To teach children that sometimes it's okay to buy into the scam because so many other sheep do is dangerous.
In sum: We don't have all the answers, but let's not actively misinform children about things we know to be false. I'm not replacing religion with another religion. Sometimes science does make mistakes. I never had a science teacher claim otherwise. In reality, not many things can be categorized as "Truth" with a capital "T". (One could even argue that 2 + 2 does not equal 4.) The universe may not have stated with a big bang. We may not even have a theory that comes close to what actually happened. Let's teach them about all the current completing (valid) theories and let them explore. Maybe they'll develop a valid theory of their own one day. One thing we DO know is that the earth is more than 10,000 years old. That is the Truth. In my opinion, telling children otherwise is purposely trying to keep them in the dark.
I can only speak for myself, but my reasons for opposing teaching "creationism" in schools are:
(1) It's a huge waste of money.
(2) I hate thinking of Indiana teachers wasting valuable class time to actively misinform children.
I don't think children who believe what their teachers teach them are idiots. Most children are trusting of their teachers and they go to school to learn facts.
I DO think religion should be taught in school -- but not in science class. The place for religion is in literature, history, etc.
beechgrovejoe mentions that atheism has been around for thousands of years in spite of religious stupidity, but I also note that religion has been around for thousands of years in spite of Truth. Religions keep changing and Truth never changes, but somehow delusion seems to still be winning out in the U.S. Purposely misinforming young minds is not a step in the right direction toward Truth.
Most adults I know are "believers". When you ask them why, they invariably say it's because they were "brought up that way". Kids get enough misinformation from home and church -- I simply don't think they need to confirm the lies in school.
I agree with a Hoosier teacher I saw on the news: We might as well teach the "stork theory" in health class while we're at it. And because I don't want them to teach the "stork theory" as fact, it doesn't mean I'm showing serious doubts about the validity of the biological truth -- it's simply because I believe it's wrong to teach children lies and tell them it's true.
- Just one atheist's opinion.
Hi, On January 31, 2012, the Indiana Senate voted 28-22 in favor of Senate Bill 89 which would allow the teaching of creationism in public schools. The bill now proceeds to the Indiana House of Representatives In the 1987 case Edwards v. Aguillard the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that teaching creationism along with evolution in public schools was unconstitutional. Creationism is religious not science. Many public school boards have been sued for teaching creationism or intelligent design as science and lost. Costing public schools time and money that our public schools can ill afford to squander. That's why I created a petition to The Indiana State House, The Indiana State Senate, and Governor Mitch Daniels, which says: "Creationism should not be taught as science in public schools." Will you sign this petition? Click here: http://signon.org/sign/state-of-indiana-creationism?source=c.em.cp&... Thanks! Please pass this along to anyone who agrees!
Petition to include non-religious... 74 Signatures! http://www.change.org/petitions/nasw-include-non-religious-as-a-cat...
The the meetup group for the Atheist Community of South Chicago Suburbs is up and running! http://www.meetup.com/The-Atheist-Community-of-the-South-Chicago-Su...
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