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Intellectual Hoosiers who are sick of religious crap from well... everywhere.

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Comment by John A. Anderson on August 3, 2010 at 9:04am
Exactly. "Hoosiers for Beverage Choice." I agree, any serious drinker will simply go to the liquor store on Saturday and stock up. But this is an atheist blog, so I'm inclined to approach the laws from the angle of the separation clause of the First Amendment, which they surely violate.
Regarding "tanglible public benefit," I agree. In fact, a "public benefit" argument can be made against the current law: It encourages drunken driving on Sundays.
I don't care how much other people drink, I just don't want to have to share the road with the ones driving home from their favorite bar at midnight. And remember, the ill-conceived Prohibition of the 20s and 30s was mainly the result of the Women's Christian Temperance League, a plainly religious group that liked to control other people's personal habits. Sound familiar?
We got them out of our liquor cabinets (except in Indiana), but we still haven't quite managed to get them out of our bedrooms. I don't know why they can't mind their own business.
Comment by Laura Brady on August 3, 2010 at 8:32am
I believe the movement John is referring to is "Hoosiers for Beverage Choices."

I don't drink much, but I'd like to be able to grab some beer to give my host when I'm invited over on a Sunday. I think the law tends to inconvenience the people who don't drink very often more than those who do. As a hard-drinking friend of mine put it, "I make sure I have enough alcohol to get through the weekend like a SCUBA diver makes sure he has enough air to get back to the surface." And one can always go get trashed at a bar (then drive home, yay.)

I'd be fine with the law if it achieved a tangible public benefit, but there's no evidence that it does. Alcoholics will still find their fix. Minors will still steal from Mom's unlocked liquor cabinet. People living in border counties will give their tax money to neighboring states. But I can't get a bottle of wine to cook with while making my Sunday grocery run.
Comment by John A. Anderson on August 3, 2010 at 7:39am
Actually, there is a movement. You can sign an on-line petitition that's being sponsored (naturally) by the grocery stores, which want to sell cold beer. If you live near a Kroger or Scott, the actually pass out leaflets in their beer departments giving you the website, although I'm sure it would be easy enough to find through Google. It's a step in the right direction, so I've signed it. I encourage the rest of you to do the same, even if, like me, you've given up drinking.
(Of course, I have family and friends who still appreciate an occasional beer, and I'd sure like the option of shopping for them.)
Comment by Leilani on August 2, 2010 at 10:18pm
I am originally from California, which doesn't have a silly Sunday restriction on alcohol or car sales. It's all about the day of the week. Why wasn't it a Tuesday or something? Oh yeah, because the majority of the people believe Sunday is a holy day. :P

I feel like the apathy of the people in this state (and other states) is what causes silly laws to remain in place. They have a similar law in Georgia, where I lived for 2 years.

This is my country, not their church. Too bad it doesn't bother most people enough to start a 'movement' of sorts. In Muncie, they don't even sell kegs... it's a college town for goodness sake! Oh well.
Comment by John A. Anderson on August 2, 2010 at 2:29pm
The package stores do seem like the bad guys here: They benefit from Sunday closings and the cold beer monopoly. But they do make the point that minors are not even permitted in their stores, but even children can enter a grocercy store that has a liquor deparment.
It has the appearance of an attempted compromise that hasn't worked well for the consumer (or the police on Sunday nights). Wouldn't it just be better for everyone to attack the whole arrangement on First Amendment grounds? I mean, surely they didn't pick Sunday at random.
Comment by Laura Brady on August 2, 2010 at 1:29pm
The packies crunched the numbers and decided that the extra business they'd get from being open on Sundays doesn't merit the additional operating costs of being open every day of the week. They lobby to keep the ban Sunday sales so they don't lose business to grocery/convenience stores that are already open on Sundays. It's corporate protectionism that gets public support by masquerading as respect for the sabbath. This is courtesy of the same industry lobby that claims losing the monopoly on cold beer sales will increase binge drinking in minors, even though studies conducted by the excise police found that liquor stores are much more likely to sell to minors than grocery/convenience/drug stores.
Comment by evan lee cooksey on August 2, 2010 at 1:00pm
ya i think its bit nit picky, but its one of those old laws on the books that will stay there at least were not a dry county or something, but to some degree im not heavy drinker so i dont lose sleep over it
Comment by John A. Anderson on August 2, 2010 at 8:59am
Well, let's get a conversation started, then. Anybody have any thoughts on Indiana's weird hodgepodge of Sunday alcohol sales laws? Does anybody else think this is, besides being silly, unconstitutional on grounds that it is a tip of the hat to those religions that observe Sunday as their sabbath? Is it a good idea to send people who want a Sunday nightcap off to a bar (thereby guaranteeing an increase in drunk driving) rather than letting them safely booze it up at home? I have no dog in this fight -I'm trying to give the stuff up.
Comment by Fr33think3r on July 16, 2010 at 12:41pm
Can I get a group to fly to Vegas to see Penn and Teller?
Comment by Terry McCoy on July 16, 2010 at 11:47am
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