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Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.

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Comment by James M. Martin on January 16, 2011 at 1:21pm
@John: Practically, yes.  The only reality we can "know" is subjective; hence, any pronouncements we make about "it" is solipsistic.  My observation of you is not you but merely my filtering of something like you.  I come from a legal tradition.  In law school jurisprudence courses we are taught that all rights and wrongs in law boil down to two types, the malum in se and malum prohibidum.  (My Latin may be a little rusty, but you get my point.) Laws that are universal in application, obeyed by all cultures everywhere on earth in the former; laws that prohibit conduct because some legislative authority believes the behavior "wrong" in the latter.  I am told that the only law should be the Golden Rule.  Divorced from its origins (after all, it was prevalent in Confucianism centuries before Reb Yeshua), this one rule is perhaps the only absolute right or good.
Comment by George on January 16, 2011 at 1:06pm
@Jim:

"Absolute morality" is a meaningless concept. "Right and wrong" are concepts held by people, individually and collectively.
Comment by John Jubinsky on January 16, 2011 at 12:53pm

@ James M. Martin:

 

Are you saying that there is no right nor wrong?

Comment by John Jubinsky on January 16, 2011 at 12:38pm
@ Jim: What does the word, earn, mean to you? If you earn something are you not entitled to it?
Comment by James M. Martin on January 16, 2011 at 9:36am
@Jim, yes, and my favorite line from Shakespeare is this one, I think from "Hamlet": "Nothing's right nor wrong but thinking makes it so."
Comment by John Jubinsky on January 16, 2011 at 5:22am
@Jim:

Your analysis is invalid. Absolute morality exists in the form of the golden rule. That is, even though Joe lives in a society where it is required for him to spray paint his name on every building he has ever been in he still would not want others to do it to his house and, as such, it would be universally wrong by the golden rule.
Comment by Jim on January 15, 2011 at 8:03pm
James said:"when a man is good for the sake of being good (not because he wants to avoid eternal damnation), his "good" is altruistic"

Morals are subjective. What's moral for me may not be for you. There is no absolute good.

Let's say Joe lives in a society where it is required for him to spray-paint his name on every building he has ever been in. He goes to dinner at Sam's house where spray painting anything that does not belong to you is punishable by death.

After dinner, Joe leaves and paints the side of Sam's house. Sam kills Joe. Who is the more moral person here? Joe for practicing his beliefs or Sam for practicing his?

And you can not say good morals are for "the greater good". This is still a subjective statement. MY greater good is different than yours.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on January 13, 2011 at 12:59pm

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Comment by James M. Martin on December 4, 2010 at 9:11am
Excellent. I have always cringed when I hear the standard Christer complaint, "Without God, there will be no morality." My take is this: Because man is hardwired to be good rather than bad (environmental and situational influences explain his being bad from time to time, and a lot of those who are bad are also Christian), when a man is good for the sake of being good (not because he wants to avoid eternal damnation), his "good" is altruistic. Being good for fear of Hell is what is cowardly.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 28, 2010 at 12:52pm
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A "spiritual" poetic artistic presentation of evolution.

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Genesis is a creationist's nightmare -- a feature-length endorsement of
evolution. But it does so in an inherently spiritual manner. At times, the life
through a microscope plainly blurs the line between man and animal

While the science sticks to the level of high school physics and biology, the
combination of words and images is resonant and pleasing.

Told by an African story teller. Entire series available on You Tube.

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