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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 22, 2013 at 2:59pm

Grinning Cat"What if God Disappeared?" by Edward Current.) My response:

Oh my goodness, Mr. Current, you have got to be writing sarcasm. “What if god disappears?” is about as foolish a statement as I have read. You are silly! Ludicrous!

 

“What would the world be like if god disappeared?”

Earth would remain the stunningly beautiful planet where life evolved from a single cell into the planet with water and flora and fauna and incredibly rich resources that brings us all we need to be healthy. We don’t have to invent the air, fire, water, and soil in order to survive; it is all here to use and to care for.

 

“If god disappeared we would instantly feel a huge void in our hearts.”

Perhaps you would, however there are legions of people who see no evidence of god in our experiences and certainly, your testimony provides evidence of shallowness of faith in a non-existent being. To have to create a god to feel “filled” reveals self-disrespect.

 

“We would feel empty, hopeless, desperate, like atheists feel today.”

Oh, my dear fellow, atheists feel exactly the opposite of what you describe. Your judgment and condemnation says more about you than it does about any atheist I know.

 

“If god disappeared missionaries in Africa and New Orleans would have no reason to help victims of malaria, AIDS and Hurricane Katrina.”

What about the missionaries in Africa who enabled the plunder of people and resources of those fine people; or who used the cruelest methods possible to cause submission of a proud people? Make them poor and then send missionaries to give them a spoon full of gruel and brag about it to the world. Do you brag about cutting off arms and legs of children and women whose men did not bring in enough rubber, or coal, or gold, or diamonds?

What about the exploitation of blacks by whites, creating a slave class and then maintaining a poverty class based on race. Are you proud of that history?

 

“The missionaries couldn’t benefit in the afterlife if they couldn’t do their work.”
Excuse me! Whites created the poverty of blacks by owning them as slaves and then keeping them down with fictional tales read from Bronze Age writings that condone slavery, plunder, rape, and murder because it pleases their god. Create poverty and then blame the victim for being poor. How foolish can one person be?

 

“If god disappeared there would be no reason to pray.”

Well, at least you have that correct. If there were no god, there would be no one to hear your prayers, no one to rescue you or reward you or punish you, and you would have to take responsibility for your own actions and have no redeemer to rescue you at the last minute before you die. Just imagine, you would be in heaven with other liars, thieves, rapists and murderers who were forgiven at the last breath. That is too easy!

 

“Success and failure in life would depend only on hard work and luck.”

I beg your pardon; are you telling me that the only people who succeed are those who believe in and have faith in an idea born of the Stone Age. We did not leave the Stone Age because we ran out of stones, we learned how to make and use tools and those made it possible to increase productivity and develop treatment for illness and injury. Your god is too small.

 

I have gone only 1:09 minutes into your foolishness and you can begin to see that I do not agree with you and I will not remain silent in the face of your ignorance, foolishness, or corruption.

 

Joan Denoo, 2013-01-22

Comment by Chris Dodds on January 22, 2013 at 2:29pm

It feels like in order to get Obama to listen to anyone at all, they have to actually barge into the Oval Office and shout at him.  I'm just wndering if I can secede from America all by myself.

Comment by Chris Dodds on January 22, 2013 at 2:26pm

I hear you guys.  You could start another petition to try and get the white house to recognize us as citizens, but we've tried thatit didn't get the required number of signatures.  And even if it did Obama wouldn't pay any attention to it.  That whole "We the people" petition thing on the White House just gives the illusion that the President is listening to us.  Every time enough petitions on that site garner the required number of signatures, the white house ignores those petitions and raises the required number.

Comment by Alan Michael Wilt on January 22, 2013 at 1:45pm

I'm always of two minds when it comes to politicians, particularly those on the left, and god-talk. I think that if President Obama had left out, or even minimized, mentions of god, that would have been all anyone would talk about regarding the speech. And I'd rather the substance of the speech get the attention it deserves. At the same time, I thought he overdid it by a hair or two in this inaugural.

Worse, though, and by a lot, was the closing benediction. I don't know anything about the minister who gave it, but even if he's the most lefty of lefties his rhetoric was all about without god we can't even recognize our own goodness, dignity, worthy neighbors, etc. Hearing that just flat burned my toast. I couldn't turn the damn TV off fast enough.

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 22, 2013 at 12:35pm

I too was pleased and disappointed by different aspects of President Obama's inaugural address.

Lots of good, positive, progressive points: acknowledging climate change as a threat that must be responded to, validated by the "overwhelming judgment of science", and that "our obligations as Americans are not just to ourselves, but to all posterity." Also that equality "guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall", explicitly mentioning goals of equal pay for women and legal equality for "our gay brothers and sisters". Affirming the social safety net, "the commitments we make to each other". And more.

Not good: the theism sk8eycat and others of us complained about: "freedom is a gift from God", "our planet, commanded to our care by God", "an oath to God" and country... Whether intentional or not, it helps perpetuate the misconception that a deity is needed for morality.

(A good YouTube video on that point: "What if God Disappeared?" by Edward Current.)

The offending portions of the speech could have easily remained secular, and (even more) powerful:

"For history tells us that while these truths may be self-evident, they have never been self-executing; that freedom must be secured by people here on Earth."

"We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American, she is free, and she is equal."

"The path towards sustainable energy sources will be long and sometimes difficult. But America cannot resist this transition; we must lead it. [...] That is how we will preserve our planet. That's what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared."

"My fellow Americans, the oath I have sworn before you today [...] was an oath to our country, not party or faction [...]"

(Though leaving out the "God bless" closing would have drawn unfavorable attention!)

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 22, 2013 at 12:11pm

Joan, I took the original "Rechargeable Cat" and made several frames of an animated GIF. It's easy in Photoshop, but other tools such as The GIMP let you create animated GIFs too.

(Unfortunately I have no idea who took the original picture! It's posted on Flickr by a few different people as if it's their own work, and of course it's on other websites too.)

Comment by sk8eycat on January 22, 2013 at 12:31am

Re: Inaugural Speech...I was appalled bythe number of times Obama said the un-word, "god," in his speech.  Particularly,

 "My fellow Americans, the oath I have sworn before you today, like the one recited by others who serve in this Capitol, was an oath to God and country..."
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I have had more than enough of political undergodding.... 
[bangs head on desk]
Comment by Lillie on January 21, 2013 at 10:39pm

Ruth, I know you were gratified by President Obama's mention of Climate issues in his inaugural speech today.  I certainly was.

Comment by Steph S. on January 21, 2013 at 9:35pm

Patricia thanks for the video - I just got to see it. 

Thanks everyone for your wonderful posts and pictures. 

Comment by Steph S. on January 21, 2013 at 9:34pm

 

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