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Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller 8 hours ago. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Finding Your Roots

Started by Randall Smith. Last reply by Chris G Dec 15. 9 Replies

I've been into genealogy for a long time. It's fun, especially with internet help, but increasingly frustrating. You see, I've hit "brick walls". And being a Smith doesn't make research any easier.Wouldn't you think I could find the death date and…Continue

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by sk8eycat Dec 12. 11 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

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Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by sk8eycat Nov 26. 41 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

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Aljam

Started by Randall Smith. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 24. 4 Replies

I'm not a news hound by any stretch, but I do like to stay informed about what's going on in the world. (I despise "local" news with all the reports of murders, robberies, fires, etc.)The national "evening" news shows really irritate me. I hate…Continue

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 22. 79 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 2:24am

sk8eycat, I like what you wrote and your experience. I know the fog will lift at some point and I will say "why did I make such a deal out of this; it is only ....!" 

I looked up Judith Hayes and read only a little bit and like what I read. Sorry to learn of her suicide and its impact on you. I look forward to looking into more of what she had to say. 

Comment by sk8eycat on March 22, 2013 at 1:43am

Joan, I'm not stupid, either, but I'm not exactly highly educated, and I have never *grokked* the meme concept, either. I have read The God Delusion three times, and reread certain sections more times than that, and I still don't understand a lot of what Dawkins is trying to say.

I have had a long-standing problem with a lot of writers in the field...they use another language that I call Academish, and I don't understand it.

That's why I was so delighted when I first found Judith Hayes (The Happy Heretic) online about 12 years ago.  She "spoke" my language, and clearly explained many of the contradictions and nonsense in religions, particularly xianity.  We actually became friends...email and phone...and I was invited to come visit, but I never had the oppportunity.

And that's why I was so hurt and angry when she killled herself last year.  I miss her dreadfully.  I don't know if her columns are still archived online, I haven't looked, but she always made sense...she didn't use vague terms like "meme," ...until she kinda went off the rails when her husband died.  You might find her books (she wrote 2) at half.com.  You can search by author.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 1:00am

Let me see if I can get a little clearer on what I am trying to learn about meme. I read Dawkins' book and what Dennett had to say. I read the Wiki articles and still I don't get a feel for a meme. I know I am not stupid, even as I feel stupid in this case. Perhaps it is my lack of a sense of humor, in that case I will just enjoy what others create.

There is another aspect of this, too. It is I agree wholeheartedly with what Ruth describes as poo, or a virus that atheists spread, unintentionally. When I write or read something critical, I wonder if it is a virus.

Things I write about religion are my true thoughts based on my experiences. I am biased and I know that, but there are so many outrageous stories religious tell each other, i.e. that woman who describes how god kept her oil bottle full, Oh! I get shutters. 

Well, I don't want to dwell on this too long, and what I am really trying to discover is how to use a meme to expose stupidity while not spreading poo all over the place. 

Please feel free to alert me when I do such a thing. Kind of like what Dogly did for me today!. It hurt when I read it, but he told me the truth and I love him for that. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 21, 2013 at 10:29pm

Joan you asked for examples of memes. It's like asking for examples of photographs or words, there are so many.

Waving to say "hello" is a nonverbal meme.

The shape of a knife is a meme embodied physically. It can be copied  and reproduced.

Any melody you like or don't like is a meme. The ones that are earworms are more successful in one way, propagating without your intent.

Tinkerbelle is a meme, as are all other fictional characters.

The name Joan is a meme.

Purses of all sorts are memes, as are all varieties of architecture, and of guitars, hairstyles and of vehicles.

Anything that can be imitated, remembered, thought about, communicated, and reproduced is a meme. A meme is a unit of culture.

Internet memes are only a small subset of memes. That use of the word "meme" is derivative and narrow.

BTW, Flying Atheist, thanks for the hilarious samples, especially the last one.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 21, 2013 at 10:07pm

Joan, without getting too detailed (which I'm probably not even knowledgeable enough to do) may I suggest you start by reading the Wikipedia article on Memes.  It's a very general and easily understood primer on the topic.  And also the more specific Internet meme article, also on Wikipedia. 

Here are just a few typical internet memes.  They are often related to current events or are just silly or very sarcastic in nature. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 9:14pm

OK you people with a firm understanding what memes are and how they work, how about giving us non-understanding people some examples of a really good meme that does its job. I think it will take just two or three to get us going. 

I don't intend to be mean with my memes, but I want to cut to the core of the issues I care about. Any coaches out there willing to help us make mastery of memes? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 9:08pm
sk8eycat, read your comment, "I feel stupid for whining about my cat's condition...and selfish...when some of you are undergoing much worse medical and family problems."
I am not aware of any limits of better than or worse than any situations that we write to each other. I figure Hang with Friends means writing about whatever is on our minds.
When you express concern about your cat falling so far, it is an experience that I can relate to and feel compassion for you and your beloved pet. I know the feeling.
When you wrote, "(I'm also terrified of the cost; I don't get my Social InSecurity deposit till next week...isn't that tacky?)"
Expressing concern about the cost of taking good care of your cat is another thing I can relate to. I have a hunch your vet will work with you on paying the costs. People generally understand unexpected expenses can create some serious problems, as with those on pensions. I think any good professional will work with you and may even reduce prices for you. Some even barter.
As to others of us who have different problems and conflicts in our lives, I see no need to worry about that. I can only speak for myself, but I find this a safe place to vent and even rant when I know for a fact those responses are not the best way to manage conflicts and problems. However, we need a place to vent all that pent-up emotion. This is also a place where we can get new perspectives on what happens to us.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 5:01pm

Patricia, "Cheeses Christ" "Our Grate Lord". 

Now, is this what one would call a meme? I'm going to get the hang of memes yet. .... even though I am lousy at such cleverness. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 4:58pm

Steph, this breed of cat looks so interesting, and the one of a kind among one of a kind is funny. 

"Scottish Fold Cat Breed Traits

The Scottish Fold's folded ears are produced by a dominant gene that affects the cartilage of the ears, causing the ears to fold forward and downward, giving the head a rounded appearance. Since the gene is dominant, all Scottish Fold cats must have at least one folded ear parent to have folded ears themselves. When a Fold is bred to a straight-eared cat, approximately 50 percent of the kittens will have folded ears, although the number of Folds in any given litter can vary greatly."

http://www.petfinder.com/cat-breeds/Scottish-Fold

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 4:53pm
Tony, that poor mother, all those mouths to feed. I thought it was hard nursing three babies one after the other, I wonder how she manages?
 

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