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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jan 22. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by Plinius on July 22, 2013 at 12:48am

The modern, western-style of over-consumption has not only become our normal standard of living but also an expected human right, any negative consequences be damned

But here, as in the USA, there are many people forced to rationing by poverty. They cannot use creditcards and they always are out of money before the month is over. But I don't expect outbreaks of anarchy - at most more 'proletarian shopping'. I think there will be more grassroots groups that work together and share - initiatives that help people and society.

I grew up in the 50s and I learned frugal living right from the start. For me it's not so difficult to economize when my income goes down, but for younger people...

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 9:21pm

Felaine, that Apple Soup sounds very delicious.  Thanks for chiming in.  I've been thinking about you and I hope you're well. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 9:17pm

While I do love the luxuries of modern life, by no means do I live an extravagant lifestyle.  Maybe it's because I'm not wealthy, but I also live a pretty frugal lifestyle.  I have no desire to keep up with the Joneses.  I recycle and I buy frugally.  When I do make "major" purchases, I tend to buy items that will last longer but may cost more.  It saves money overall.  This way I can enjoy the nicer things in life.  I also have a knack for making things last a long time by taking care of items properly.  I'm still using my Sony CD player and DBX stereo speakers that I bought in 1988!!  They were both rather expensive at the time and have served me very well.  I'm not one to constantly update just to have the latest gizmos. 

I do have items that I splurge on, mainly food and items for my hobbies.  I certainly love the pleasures of good food, and my hobbies give me a lot of personal satisfaction in my life.  If I were wealthy (mufti-millionaire wealthy) I really don't think I would be a "conspicuous consumption" type of person.  It's just not my style.  I do know that I would be very philanthropic with my fortune.  That is my style.    

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 9:04pm

Our group is well informed on the challenges facing USA and Earth  today and has taken steps to prepare for whatever happens, whether it is an economic collapse or a precipitous weather change.  If neither one occurs, then we have lost nothing. If these or other factors catch us off guard we are flexible and adaptive. 

There is no substitute for simple pleasures, and wonder only requires being aware of all the diversity around us. We have not had the scorching heat and humidity that so many experience; for that I am grateful. 

“Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants.”

~ Benjamin Franklin


 

Comment by sk8eycat on July 21, 2013 at 8:08pm

I don't want to interrupt, because this is a fascinating discussion (has anybody else noticed that the US economy started to slide when Nixon slashed NASA's budget ...while he was on the phone with Armstron & Aldrin!  We've never really recovered from that.)

Anyway, I've been playing  with fall recipes:

EVE WAS FRAMED APPLE SOUP
Recipe developed by The Serpent
  

2          Cups               Apple Juice or Cider

2          Large              Cooking Apples; peeled, cored, coarsely chopped

¼         Cup                 Raisins

2          Sticks             Cinnamon     

2                                  Whole Allspice  (optional)

2          Tbsp               Brown Sugar

1          Tbsp               GOOD Brandy (NOT  “cooking brandy”)

In large saucepan, combine apple juice, apples, raisins, cinnamon, and allspice.  Bring to slow boil; reduce heat, cover, and simmer 15 to 20 minutes until apples are tender. 

Stir in brown sugar and brandy and simmer, stirring occasionally, until sugar is completely dissolved.  Remove cinnamon and allspice and discard. 

Can be served warm or chilled with smoky ham slices, cheddar cheese, crackers, crusty bread, etc., on the side.  (Cheese biscuits?) 

For a different texture, after removing cinnamon and allspice, puree’ in blender.


 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:10pm

Patricia, I like you joining in the "Pissed Off crowd. We are becoming legion. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:04pm

Carl, I agree with your assessment and comparison with WWII limits on our consumption. Yes, we all have enjoyed these years of prosperity that grew from 1945 to 1975. The wage gap began to grow in 1975 and then grew exponentially until we are in the mess we are in now.
I think you are correct that people will resist voluntarily cutting back on consumption. The problem is, Earth cannot sustain our present consumption levels in the USA, and other countries are getting into positions to be able to afford increased consumption after all those low paying jobs went to Third World Counties where low pay was better than in the feudal days of their slavery or serfdom.  

There are problems at all levels of our society, economic, educational, health care, financial, political and religious. People don't want to give up privileges; others want to have access to opportunities. These conflicting values work against the kinds of changes we need to make. 

So, what is one to do? I don't have the power to change things that need to change; I do have the power to act and speak in ways that influence some, if not all. 

I get really annoyed when people tell me I am too negative. I think there are too many who are not negative enough. Being negative is only the beginning of problem solving. One has to acknowledge there is a problem before one can even imagine a preferred future. If one lives in denial or delusions, he and she become part of the problem.  

Therefore, 1. we need a time and place to be discerning, to name the problem, to describe events, to do some critical thinking;

2. then we need a time and place to imagine a preferred future, with no limits on the imagining, no criticizing, no setting of limits;

3. after that comes the time to be critical, what options have the highest probability of getting from where we are to where we want to be? what resources do we need? and lack? how are we going to develop a budget? who does what, when, where?

4. Develop an action plan and put the plan to work;

5. Evaluate outcomes asking are we reaching our goals? Do we need to do more or less of the same? or do something differently?  or do nothing? 

Underlying all these problems, in my opinion, is religion. Even those who do not believe one religion or another, many people fall into line of the religious leaders who call for preposterous rules and laws. Those who claim authority over others because of traditions only add fuel to the already smoldering fire. 

For me, Atheist Nexus and other groups that support secular thinking offer the times and places for discussion.  Life without god seems right to me. 

 

Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 1:37pm

Me too Patricia!  Being frugal doesn't have to mean deprivation!  It's fun to be creative.  Being frugal allowed me to stay at home with my kids until they were grown-ups.  I still don't have a job outside the home due to medical issues, but I am going to get a part-time job this fall.  I don't have to work full-time because, since we have always been fairly frugal, our home was paid-for in-full 5 years ago.  We are both now 46.  Believe me, we have not been deprived of anything.  I think a lot of it is being SATISFIED. People don't appreciate what they have.  I do, however, need to work on not wanting as much food!!!!!!

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 1:23pm
Ruth, very good point, "I don’t think fear of rejection keeps people in long term relationships."

My fear when leaving religion behind was that I would not have as good a support system. I didn't think in terms of having a healthier one. After leaving, finding friends to share my thoughts developed, slowly at first, and when all is said and done, I am far healthier with healthy friends and family.

My fear when leaving my marriage was that I would be alone, unable to cope with three small children, and I would never travel again. All those faux-fears never materialized. I have never been as lonely as when I was married; my children began to thrive without the brutal hand of ebedience training; and I was able to do research in 32 nations after my divorce.

By facing my fears, thinking for myself, paying attention to outcomes, I was able to not only survive but thrive.

Thanks for the opportunity to rethink my previous comment.
Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 1:18pm

I agree Carl.  People, especially in the US, are so used to their conspicuous consumption, that I think they would rebel.  They can't even imagine not having everything they want, when they want it, even if it means (and it usually does) putting it on credit cards.  They can't fathom that it is literally impossible for the whole world to live this way. It makes me sick. Selfish is right! And yes, we are in a very sad state!  I am pretty frugal, and I'm working on living a minimalist lifestyle.  Believe me, I'm not there yet, but just watching others consume out-of-control makes me ill.

 

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