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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 28, 2013 at 9:37pm
Tony Carroll, Thanks; that church sign illustrates the problem, some religious people can think and choose not to. Yes, thinking requires work, mathematics needs concentration, science requires an open mind to take in all diversity and infinite time, life depend upon thought plus action. Dogma does not stand up to any of these. Litany provides no answers. Yes, religion may provide comfort, but does not provide answers worthy of attention. I find no truth in any one of the following sentences: 
The Nicene Creed
Traditional Version (From the Book of Common Prayer)
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty 
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; 
God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; 
begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father,
by Whom all things were made: 
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, 
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man: 
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried: 
And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures: 
And ascended into Heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father: 
And he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead: 
Whose Kingdom will have no end:
And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life, 
Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son 
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, 
Who spake by the Prophets. 
And I believe in One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, 
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. 
And I look for the Resurrection of the Dead: 
And the Life of the world to come. Amen.
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 28, 2013 at 9:17pm

sk8eycat, your comments offer pearls of great price! I'll keep you informed. 

Comment by sk8eycat on January 28, 2013 at 9:04pm

Joan, pease let us all know when/if you get a reply.  I keep looking at that sign, and whether the photo is real or fake, it's typical xian arrogance.

"Jesus loves me (but not you)." 

Hah!  But I love me; I don't need an imaginary friend to make me feel worthwhile.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 28, 2013 at 8:48pm

Grinning Cat, you are a good sleuth; I've gone north and south and east and west around that corner and I can't get a good view of the sign. If the sign is a fake, I owe that church an apology for accusing them of something they did not do; however, I went to the church site and challenge their basic premise. 
I sent them an email and look forward to their response. 

Comment by sk8eycat on January 28, 2013 at 8:12pm

Dear Grinning Cat, the sign's frame looks genuine, but the removable lettering and spacing look somewhat different from the sign in the Google Maps photo.  Of course, Google Maps and Google Earth only update images a couple of times a year. If that often.

I just checked my own address on Garble Earth, and it still shows the car I sold last summer sitting in the driveway....

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 28, 2013 at 6:01pm

That "logical/theological" church sign looks real to me -- more detailed than the usual church sign generator output. In any case, that particular Baptist church is real and shows up on Google Street View. They also have a website.

Comment by booklover on January 28, 2013 at 2:23pm

Comment by Loren Miller on January 28, 2013 at 1:48pm

Logical thinking may encourage or discourage you, depending on your own personal bent and capacity for understanding data you're presented with.  Theological thinking is MAGICAL THINKING, which can do anything it wants and doesn't answer to fact or reality ... so sure it can be encouraging, as certainly as it can be utterly and absolutely DELUSIONAL.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 28, 2013 at 1:01pm

Tony Carroll, that sign says it all; even if religious people can think, many choose not to. Yes, reasoning requires effort, math takes work, science overwhelms because of the diversity; that is exactly why religion may be necessary to make people feel good, but life involves far more than feelings.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 28, 2013 at 12:32pm

Tony, that sign, and others like it are incredibly stupid.  Almost beyond belief.  In fact, I still do have a slight doubt that they are real.  

I see quite a few on atheist websites, and they appear to be real, but there is still that lingering thought in the back of my mind that says no one can be that stupid can they?

 

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