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Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller 28 seconds ago. 17 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller on Wednesday. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

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Finding Your Roots

Started by Randall Smith. Last reply by Chris G Dec 15. 9 Replies

I've been into genealogy for a long time. It's fun, especially with internet help, but increasingly frustrating. You see, I've hit "brick walls". And being a Smith doesn't make research any easier.Wouldn't you think I could find the death date and…Continue

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by sk8eycat Nov 26. 41 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

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Started by Randall Smith. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 24. 4 Replies

I'm not a news hound by any stretch, but I do like to stay informed about what's going on in the world. (I despise "local" news with all the reports of murders, robberies, fires, etc.)The national "evening" news shows really irritate me. I hate…Continue

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 22. 79 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Comment by sk8eycat on July 21, 2013 at 8:08pm

I don't want to interrupt, because this is a fascinating discussion (has anybody else noticed that the US economy started to slide when Nixon slashed NASA's budget ...while he was on the phone with Armstron & Aldrin!  We've never really recovered from that.)

Anyway, I've been playing  with fall recipes:

EVE WAS FRAMED APPLE SOUP
Recipe developed by The Serpent
  

2          Cups               Apple Juice or Cider

2          Large              Cooking Apples; peeled, cored, coarsely chopped

¼         Cup                 Raisins

2          Sticks             Cinnamon     

2                                  Whole Allspice  (optional)

2          Tbsp               Brown Sugar

1          Tbsp               GOOD Brandy (NOT  “cooking brandy”)

In large saucepan, combine apple juice, apples, raisins, cinnamon, and allspice.  Bring to slow boil; reduce heat, cover, and simmer 15 to 20 minutes until apples are tender. 

Stir in brown sugar and brandy and simmer, stirring occasionally, until sugar is completely dissolved.  Remove cinnamon and allspice and discard. 

Can be served warm or chilled with smoky ham slices, cheddar cheese, crackers, crusty bread, etc., on the side.  (Cheese biscuits?) 

For a different texture, after removing cinnamon and allspice, puree’ in blender.


 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:10pm

Patricia, I like you joining in the "Pissed Off crowd. We are becoming legion. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:04pm

Carl, I agree with your assessment and comparison with WWII limits on our consumption. Yes, we all have enjoyed these years of prosperity that grew from 1945 to 1975. The wage gap began to grow in 1975 and then grew exponentially until we are in the mess we are in now.
I think you are correct that people will resist voluntarily cutting back on consumption. The problem is, Earth cannot sustain our present consumption levels in the USA, and other countries are getting into positions to be able to afford increased consumption after all those low paying jobs went to Third World Counties where low pay was better than in the feudal days of their slavery or serfdom.  

There are problems at all levels of our society, economic, educational, health care, financial, political and religious. People don't want to give up privileges; others want to have access to opportunities. These conflicting values work against the kinds of changes we need to make. 

So, what is one to do? I don't have the power to change things that need to change; I do have the power to act and speak in ways that influence some, if not all. 

I get really annoyed when people tell me I am too negative. I think there are too many who are not negative enough. Being negative is only the beginning of problem solving. One has to acknowledge there is a problem before one can even imagine a preferred future. If one lives in denial or delusions, he and she become part of the problem.  

Therefore, 1. we need a time and place to be discerning, to name the problem, to describe events, to do some critical thinking;

2. then we need a time and place to imagine a preferred future, with no limits on the imagining, no criticizing, no setting of limits;

3. after that comes the time to be critical, what options have the highest probability of getting from where we are to where we want to be? what resources do we need? and lack? how are we going to develop a budget? who does what, when, where?

4. Develop an action plan and put the plan to work;

5. Evaluate outcomes asking are we reaching our goals? Do we need to do more or less of the same? or do something differently?  or do nothing? 

Underlying all these problems, in my opinion, is religion. Even those who do not believe one religion or another, many people fall into line of the religious leaders who call for preposterous rules and laws. Those who claim authority over others because of traditions only add fuel to the already smoldering fire. 

For me, Atheist Nexus and other groups that support secular thinking offer the times and places for discussion.  Life without god seems right to me. 

 

Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 1:37pm

Me too Patricia!  Being frugal doesn't have to mean deprivation!  It's fun to be creative.  Being frugal allowed me to stay at home with my kids until they were grown-ups.  I still don't have a job outside the home due to medical issues, but I am going to get a part-time job this fall.  I don't have to work full-time because, since we have always been fairly frugal, our home was paid-for in-full 5 years ago.  We are both now 46.  Believe me, we have not been deprived of anything.  I think a lot of it is being SATISFIED. People don't appreciate what they have.  I do, however, need to work on not wanting as much food!!!!!!

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 1:23pm
Ruth, very good point, "I don’t think fear of rejection keeps people in long term relationships."

My fear when leaving religion behind was that I would not have as good a support system. I didn't think in terms of having a healthier one. After leaving, finding friends to share my thoughts developed, slowly at first, and when all is said and done, I am far healthier with healthy friends and family.

My fear when leaving my marriage was that I would be alone, unable to cope with three small children, and I would never travel again. All those faux-fears never materialized. I have never been as lonely as when I was married; my children began to thrive without the brutal hand of ebedience training; and I was able to do research in 32 nations after my divorce.

By facing my fears, thinking for myself, paying attention to outcomes, I was able to not only survive but thrive.

Thanks for the opportunity to rethink my previous comment.
Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 1:18pm

I agree Carl.  People, especially in the US, are so used to their conspicuous consumption, that I think they would rebel.  They can't even imagine not having everything they want, when they want it, even if it means (and it usually does) putting it on credit cards.  They can't fathom that it is literally impossible for the whole world to live this way. It makes me sick. Selfish is right! And yes, we are in a very sad state!  I am pretty frugal, and I'm working on living a minimalist lifestyle.  Believe me, I'm not there yet, but just watching others consume out-of-control makes me ill.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 12:49pm

I'm am quite aware of the many sacrifices that were made by civilians during the period of WWII.  Government enforced rationing of meat, gas, rubber (auto tires), sugar, butter, coffee, metal, etc, etc.  The long list goes on and on.  I often times wonder if our society today could even begin to accept such inconveniences without total anarchy breaking out.  The modern, western-style of over-consumption has not only become our normal standard of living but also an expected human right, any negative consequences be damned.  

Since the time of WWII we have participated in several more wars but we have not rationed since the 1940's.  We had long lines for gasoline for a short period in the 1970's, but alas, that was only temporary.  Once the oil was flowing again, our over-consumption kicked right back in.  I'm deeply troubled by this behavior and I'm at a loss for a solution.  As I stated above, I honestly don't think our selfish society today would allow government enforced cutbacks on our consumption without all Hell breaking loose.  And it doesn't help that many people don't even wish to do so voluntarily.  We're in a very sad state. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 21, 2013 at 12:47pm

Yes, welcome indeed, John Kennedy Opiyo.


Randall, I bristle too when an otherwise resonant passage suddenly slips in theism. My tolerance for theism is very very low. I even react negatively when I see atheists here wasting otherwise productive minds discussing nuances of theistic doctrine.


Yes, Joan, a wider, longer perception of events is what I need, along with enjoyment of fluttering fledglings on shrubs. I appreciate Albert Ellis, but I don’t think fear of rejection keeps people in long term relationships. We have an instinctive need for other people.


Ian, I enjoy neon lights, and find it easy to ignore the commercial messages for the color and luminosity.

Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 12:33pm

Clever and so funny!

Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 12:33pm

Glad you liked the annoyed cat Ruth!  Don't worry, no one judges you here.  We just care about you because you are our good friend.

Our first cat we had to have put to sleep years ago was named Jo.  I didn't know that in the middle of the night his blood-pressure had gotten so high that it detached his retinas, and he was blind.  How scared he must have been all night!  I found him downstairs hiding under a table.  It still makes me sick that I didn't know, and he spent his last night alone and scared.  After they put him to sleep at the vet, I was crying so hard I could barely write the check. :(

I'm so glad we have each other here to talk to.  I love cat-lovers! :)

 

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