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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Thursday. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by booklover on December 15, 2013 at 10:00am

I didn't know that Felaine!  I told my husband as he is an Atheist and a huge fan of The Wizard of Oz.  That's AWFUL that you can't have the necessary surgery without losing your home!  That is SO UNJUST.

Cute pic Steph!  My son still isn't better, I hope those antibiotics start working!  It's making me nervous.  My daughter said she had a nice time on her date, and she'd go out with him again, so that's good.

Hope everyone has a relaxing Sunday.

Comment by Steph S. on December 14, 2013 at 8:47pm

Hope your son gets better Mindy and congrats on your daughter's first date - I hope it goes well for the two of them.

Comment by Steph S. on December 14, 2013 at 8:43pm

Comment by sk8eycat on December 14, 2013 at 7:38pm

Mindy, did you know that the man who wrote all the song lyrics, and a goodly part of the script for "The Wizard of Oz" (Yip Harburg) was a lifelong atheist?  I have a collection of his poems called "Rhymes for the Irreverent."  Funny stuff.

I think L. Frank Baum was an atheist, too. There is just too much very sly stuff in the first book that pokes fun at religion and conservative politics...IF you look at it in a certain way.  The "heartless" Tin Man, etc.  He was certainly passionate about politics in his private life.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 14, 2013 at 7:24pm

Patricia, did you have fusion along with the Laminectomy?  I did...I have two rods bolted to my lower spine, held in place with grafted donor bone. I was astonished at the low pain level afterwards; maybe it was the fact that hospitals are more knowledgeable about pain management now.  I was allowed smaller doses of pain meds every 2 hours instead of having to wait 4 hours for a larger dose that would always leave me groggy.  (I don't know what they gave me...not morphine.  I am violently allergic to that.)  I was able to sit cross-legged on my bed before I left the hospital 5 days after the surgery. Shocked the physical therapist (who I thought was a smug goody-two-shoes anyway.)  I didn't do the prescribed post-hospital therapy...lack of transportation, and... well...it bores me.

BTW, it was a Catholic hospital; I asked to have the "scarecrow" removed from my room, but they wouldn't do that, so the first day I was allowed out of bed, I draped my "Imagine No Religion" T-shirt over it.  My surgeon (young, secular Jewish) nearly fell on the floor laughing when he saw that.  So did one of my RNs (a gay man...middle-aged...ALL the nurses were fabulous!)

The main thing is that, as you said, the sciatic pain was killing me; I couldn't sit in a chair of any type for more than 5 minutes, so I couldn't get an office job for 10 years.  I knew as soon as I came out of the anesthesia that it was GONE! Oh, every once in a while (maybe every 6 months), I'll feel a tingle in my right leg, but it's a numbness-type tingle, not the hot, screaming pain I had before.

The most painful thing about the whole operation was the amount I had to pay out of my own pocket after Medicare paid its share.  I maxed out my only credit card, and am still making payments on the debt.

I need to have the same thing done on my neck, and I just can't.  It scares me...I had a parathyroidectomy (the incision is the same as for any thyroid surgery) in '92, and the post-op pain and stiffness went on for almost a year.  I couldn't sleep lying down for about 3 months, couldn't turn my head far enough even to look in the rear-view mirrors while driving, etc.

Plus...if I rack up any more debts, I'll lose the house. I wouldn't mind moving to an apartment for low-income seniors, but my sister would, and the house is in both our names.

Comment by booklover on December 14, 2013 at 6:33pm

So glad it worked Patricia!  I had a D & C and several surgeries also, but oddly, they didn't hurt.  I did have my stomach surgery (Nissen Fundalplacation, sp?), and my gallbladder removal , but they were done laproscopically , again I don't know the spelling.  I just felt pressure after, but no pain.  Morphine has NO effect on me.  Weird!  Didn't need it anyway though.  My HUGE medical problem was that EXTREME nausea for 2 years (not every day.)  NO quality of life.  A simple drug, Nortriptylene, gave me my quality of life back.  Not perfect, but good enough!

Comment by booklover on December 14, 2013 at 6:10pm

Thanks Carl and Joan!  He's not feeling better yet, but we are all on nurse-duty!  He can't eat much, but I think his blood-sugar levels have been fairly stable.

Patricia and Felaine, OUCH!!  I can't even imagine the pain.  The worst pain I've ever had was childbirth (with my daughter, my son was super-easy and fast delivery), and gallstones!!!

Comment by booklover on December 14, 2013 at 6:04pm

My son still doesn't feel any better.  Ugh!  His throat is totally white, and he can barely swallow his Penicillin pills. :(  Poor guy!

My daughter, 21, is on a DATE with a 27-year old.  He's the friend of a co-worker (an art camp counselor with her.)  She's met him many times at the mutual friends house, but didn't know if she wanted to go out on a date with him.  Today she accepted.  It just sounds so OLD! lol.  She's only ever dated people the same age as she is!  I don't think my husband is thrilled, but he'll probably not be thrilled with any guy she dates.  It's just a first date, but I'm so glad she's feeling good enough to get dressed-up and go out!

Comment by booklover on December 14, 2013 at 6:00pm

Thanks Felaine!  I have heard things said in the movie that sound very much like that!  I wish I could remember what.  Wow!  I can't believe the book burning over The Wizard of Oz.  I can't believe the believers were smart enough to figure out that that was the message!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 14, 2013 at 5:22pm

sk8eycat I can understand a population of uninformed individuals might object to looking at reality through a metaphor, but for a school district to fall for such tactics is just outrageous. I think the Four Horsemen, and others who are militant in their opposition to ignorance being taught in public school is well justified and I consider myself one of those awful persons who take a militant view in opposition to failure to learn science. In fact, the more I learn, the more militant I become. 

The reality is, I am becoming more confrontive to the negative feedback she gave. One of my counselors at Cancer Care gave me some very bad feedback and I called her on it. She is of the old school; nonsense is nonsense, whether stated by an uninformed or a trained counselor. 

Gee, that feels good, to be able to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy therapy! I am sure her motive was positive even as her information was lousy. 

 

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