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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jan 22. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by Plinius on February 24, 2014 at 10:33am

How I hate being weak! It has been a load of extra work of course, organising for brother-in-law, cleaning out his apartment, taking care of his cat, making everything ready for a move to a home for people with non innate brain damage, washing - have you noticed  how hospital staff find the woman in the patient's family and give her ten kilograms of washing? - visiting the patient, have endless talks with psychologists and social workers. I took the load of course, together with husband - till last week. My heartrate went up to a point where I couldn't sleep anymore, I'm nauseous and dizzy and I've spent the weekend in bed, lying awake and crying when someone says something kind to me. I can manage this, but I really don't know how to manage the extra work. The stupid GP says that I should relax; what a wonderful diagnosis...

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 24, 2014 at 10:23am

Ian, I like your "Screw it, I'm gardening" picture.

Comment by Ian Mason on February 24, 2014 at 9:05am

Joan: first, I agree with Mindy and second, I have 3 sets of skills that have been of less and less use as time has gone on (printer, B.A. lit and care worker) I was already too old to use the B.A. when I'd finished it at the age of 28, most printing work in Europe has now been moved to Poland or the Baltic states (no unions, low pay) and the current financial crisis is causing huge cuts at floor level in care work while the nunber of bureaucrats and "consultants" increases. At age 57 I would never get a place in any new training and am not attractive to employers. The truth is that for working class people in our times you can't win and without a good union you can't break even.

Comment by booklover on February 24, 2014 at 8:40am

Joan, I agree with you about people that don't apply themselves in school, but we have to remember that some kids CAN'T apply themselves in school.  Some kids have horrible lives at home with unsupportive parents, not enough food to eat to be able to perform at school, a low IQ, etc.  I saw lots of those kids when I worked at my kids' grade school as a para-professional, and as a tutor,  and even helping in the lunchroom.  Not everyone can take the initiative, etc.  It's all they can do to get through life.  I don't think that means they should be taken advantage of, or treated like dirt by their employers.

My husband is a Teamster, and works really hard, and makes, for where we live, a VERY good living.  My father-in-law was in the UAW and worked for Chrysler, not on the line, but as a master mechanic, and moved his way up.  Both of those Unions have been wonderful for our family anyway.

Comment by sk8eycat on February 24, 2014 at 4:29am

Joan, what about highly-educated people who are let go when the frantic rush is over?...I'm thinking of all the aerospace workers at Douglas and other companies who were laid off when Tricky Dick cut the funding for the Apollo program while he was talking to Armstrong and Aldrin on the moon.  Many of them ended up driving cabs and mopping hospital floors...some for years.  There just weren't enough jobs in their specialties to go around.

A few managed to get into other fields...the Bird Respirator (that little green thing that isn't used much anymore) was invented by a couple of guys who worked on space suit life support.

And when people with PhDs end up driving cabs,  or working as janitors, or pumping gas, what happens to the people who only know how to drive cabs or mop floors?  And gas stations started closing by the dozens about then, too.

IMO we are over-breeding...there aren't as many good jobs to go around as there were 50 years ago.  I used to do manual bookkeeping after I quit skating...one person using QuickBooks, or some other program, can do in one day what it took me a week or more to do manually (plus typing out all the P&Ls and relevant tax returns...on a manual typewriter!)  I am obsolete.  Totally.

I did sort of learn one bookkeeping system almost 20 years ago... M.A.S.90...it was hideously complex, but if you did everything right, it not only kept the books in balance, but printed accounts payable checks, AND figured the payroll and printed those checks, too.  But if you made a mistake, it took an act of congress to reverse it out and start over. 

My employer treated me like a recalcitrant 3-year old.  I stuck it out for a year because I needed the money; during that year three other, younger, smarter women came in and worked alongside me (it was a very small office) and all three quit in tears.  I didn't quit in tears, but I had already cleaned out my desk and was just waiting.  When the Revolving B*tch started in on me one afternoon, I just took my key to the office off my key ring flipped it in the middle of the room, and said "Goodbye.".And walked out the door.

She had the nerve to call me two days later to ask if I was still going to baby-sit her cocker spaniel that weekend.  I had no arguments with Beanie, so I did...as long as I didn't have to see Mrs. B*tch.  Her husband met me and paid me.

As far as I know there are no unions for "white collar" workers in small offices.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:32am

Felaine, what a life you have had! It must have been exciting and I imagine you met many different types of people. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:24am

Patricia, I know what you write is true, however, Loren makes the case that I am trying to: 

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

Unions, like democracy, is only as good as the people involved. 

Perhaps you have a different idea of how to equalize power between workers and management. With an excess of workers applying for each job, and with people not having the skills needed to perform the jobs for this time in history, and not having resources to upgrade their skills, what options do you see? 

A well informed working person knows what skills are needed and takes the initiative to learn those skills. 

Typically, low skill jobs, often in the service industry, do not pay living wages and therefore workers have to take the initiative to develop those skills that pay well. If they failed to get a good public education, or if they failed to apply themselves in free public school, who is to blame for their economic problems? 

I have very little interest in those who did not apply themselves in school. They have no one to blame but themselves. 

For those who did apply themselves in school, learned to be a mechanic, or nurse, or technician, or plumber, or electrician, and who perform at responsible levels, they should be able to earn a living wage. These people, when exploited, need to unionize. 

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 11:46pm

Goodbye to Sochi!  (I'm the 5th girl on the left)

Comment by Loren Miller on February 23, 2014 at 9:49pm

Joan, a long time ago, I determined the following:

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

And from where I sit, I've seen entirely too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 23, 2014 at 9:36pm

Unions have a terrible reputation, well earned, for not representing their members and scamming the money into their own pockets. 

That said, workers need unions to equalize power with owners of wealth. One carpenter, or one skater or one writer has so little influence over what happens, the corruption continues. When the union is corrupt, then something more needs to happen. Keeping track of statements made and decisions rendered, is the beginning of fighting any dispute. A good investigative reporter knows how to do these things, as does a good lawyer. Both can be allies for the worker.   

 

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