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Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Thursday. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by Plinius on April 16, 2014 at 6:46am

Thanks for the video of the Dutch women, Carl, it's very nice!

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:47pm

Felaine, your English teach, Miss Esther Weinstock, was a treasure indeed. Some teachers just have a spark that brings young minds to life. You and I were blessed with having such teachers. 

I was hard on my students, whether the college classes, or the work I did in poverty projects. No one gains by not thinking and by accepting easy answers. Figuring out ways to get a lazy mind to do some work is a challenge, but the rewards great! 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:39pm

Carl, excellent question. It goes on the list.

"Is god doing a good job?" 

Googling this questions, this came up: 

Poll: 52 percent approve of God’s job performance

I would surely like to know who they polled? 

"God’s job performance has trouble measuring up to many Americans' expectations, according to a poll by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm based in North Carolina.

"Only 52 percent of Americans approve of God’s job performance, the survey found, though just 9 percent disapprove."

"'voters give God its best rating on creating the universe, 71-5,' the polling report said. 'They also approve of its handling of the animal kingdom 56-11, and even its handling of natural disasters 50-13.'"

I would guess a much higher number disapprove of god's performance, but then, what do I know about public trends? I am totally out of step with so many people on so many dimensions. 

I've been watching some debates, theists vs. atheists, and very few of the atheists cite biblical and historical events of murder, bashing babies heads against stone walls or stabbing them with a sword. I keep prompting the video to take on that tactic. The words are in the bible of god telling the Israelites how to murder, plunder and rape. 

I ran across these titles that gave me chills. How to defend one's religious faith; how one should think; cultural stories that shape lives: 

* Faith has its reasons: Integrative approaches to defending the christian faith, Kenneth Boa. 

*The christian mind: How should a christian think, Harry Blamires. 

*Hidden worldviews: Eight cultural stories that shape our lives, Steve Wilkens. 

Well, I think we have good reason to point out the reasons faith in delusions is unhealthy; that being told the shoulda-oughta-gotta thinking mentality is fascist; and we can develop a culture based on reason, cooperation, and non-exploitation of the Earth and it's resources. 

This is going to be fun! 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 11:35pm

The Science Fiction filksinging community makes up song parodies using almost anything.  Another is based on "that Old-Time religion"....

It was good enough for Dagon
That conservative old Pagan
Who sill votes for Ronald Reagan.
So it's good enough for me.

I was at a Worldcon in 1984 at the Anaheim Hilton (next to Disneyland), and some drunken surfers crashed a huge roomful of us who were singing that song at the time.  All they heard was the melody, and thought we were jeebus-freaks (they were having their own counter-convention at a hotel across the street from our hotel), and got really disruptive.  A bunch of guys dressed as Klingons booted them out.

I miss going to conventions, but can't afford hotel expenses anymore.  FFRF is having their fall convention in Los Angeles this year...Waaaahhhh!  I wanna GO!  But $170 a night is a bit much.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:06pm

Felaine, "My god's better 'cause she has eighteen tits" may be a reference to that wonderful myth of Artemis that goes back as far as the 8th century BCE. Her statue at Ephesus dates from the 1st century CE. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 11:03pm

Carl, a delightful film. they obviously enjoyed the adventure. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 15, 2014 at 10:52pm

Joan, I can't remember if I saw this recently on Atheist/Nexus or elsewhere, but someone posted a topic/blog with the question, "Is god doing a good job?"  I think that is an excellent question to ask the believer.  I'm sure that for every one, supposedly godly act they can think of that is good, we can respond with multiple examples of his uncaring incompetence.  At some point a rational person, even after honest worship and countless, heartfelt prayers, would have to concede that the bad and tragic events that god allows far outweigh the good.  This is the perfect opportunity to plant the seed that perhaps god is not there. 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 10:08pm

Joan, one of the favorite SF filksongs is "My God's Better than Your God," to the tune of the old Ken-L-Ration commercial, "My Dog's Better than Your dog." It has so many verses that it can be sung all night (the more bheers you've had, the more verses you can come up with.
Sample:
My god's better than your god,
My god's better than yours.
My god's better 'cause she has eighteen tits.
My god's better than yours.
and on and on.

Comment by sk8eycat on April 15, 2014 at 9:53pm

Joan, do you mean Miss Weinstock's love of Burns and shakespeare, or BHS's love of Miss Weinstock? 

She WAS a treasure; she made Shakespeare's characters come to life for us, taught us to write our own thoughts on myriad subjects, and she was tough.  She didn't baby us at all.

She graduate of Reed College in Portland, and started out in the 1920s as a gym teacher, but by the time I was in high school (Class of '57) she was THE senior English teacher, and everyone who was thinking about going to college wanted to be in her classes. 

The other Sr. English teacher had been a missionary in China before the revolution, and probably had a lot of interesting stories to tell, but she was also the adviser of the Campus Christians club, and even though I was still going to church at that time, I was beginning to have doubts, and didn't want to have anything to do with her or the club.

After a few months in Miss Weinstock's class, I had the feeling that she was not religious at all.  Comforting.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2014 at 9:52pm

Patricia, I realize you know where I live, and others in the string may not. It will be interesting to learn if others in the US can get the site. Thanks for the opportunity to try your link. 

One other thought about worship, I realize that worship means putting one's hands together, bowing one's head, and letting-go-letting-god. These all exist as devices to stop thinking, taking action, and making a difference. 

I once belonged to Fourth Presbyterian Church in Bethesda, MD. with Richard CHalverson, senior pastor, the chaplain of the United States Senate and leader in the International Prayer Breakfast Movement. A fellow member spent the two years I was there hearing her pray that her husband would find the lord's plan for his life and would bring a job for her out-of-work husband. She took great care in fulfilling her evangelical calling to bring sheep to the shepherd.  

That was one the situations that added to my doubts about god and religion having any answers at all in matters of problems and conflicts. I realize that religion and god exist as a delusion that stops thinking and acting. 

The great thing about atheism is I see no evidence that god intervenes in lives confronted with serious problems and conflicts. Just look at the many problems going on around the world that involve arguments of over whose god is the real, true god, how one is to act in order to meet moral codes set by dogma, and how religion is used to make claims that have no relevance to today's world, i.e. Israel and Palestine. One had better start thinking, exploring, experimenting, doubting and questioning if he or she does not want to be and remain a victim.

Think > Identify a preferred goal > Explore options > Take action > Evaluate outcomes > Repeat until the goal is reached or changed.

 

 

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