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Comment by sk8eycat on February 24, 2014 at 4:29am

Joan, what about highly-educated people who are let go when the frantic rush is over?...I'm thinking of all the aerospace workers at Douglas and other companies who were laid off when Tricky Dick cut the funding for the Apollo program while he was talking to Armstrong and Aldrin on the moon.  Many of them ended up driving cabs and mopping hospital floors...some for years.  There just weren't enough jobs in their specialties to go around.

A few managed to get into other fields...the Bird Respirator (that little green thing that isn't used much anymore) was invented by a couple of guys who worked on space suit life support.

And when people with PhDs end up driving cabs,  or working as janitors, or pumping gas, what happens to the people who only know how to drive cabs or mop floors?  And gas stations started closing by the dozens about then, too.

IMO we are over-breeding...there aren't as many good jobs to go around as there were 50 years ago.  I used to do manual bookkeeping after I quit skating...one person using QuickBooks, or some other program, can do in one day what it took me a week or more to do manually (plus typing out all the P&Ls and relevant tax returns...on a manual typewriter!)  I am obsolete.  Totally.

I did sort of learn one bookkeeping system almost 20 years ago... M.A.S.90...it was hideously complex, but if you did everything right, it not only kept the books in balance, but printed accounts payable checks, AND figured the payroll and printed those checks, too.  But if you made a mistake, it took an act of congress to reverse it out and start over. 

My employer treated me like a recalcitrant 3-year old.  I stuck it out for a year because I needed the money; during that year three other, younger, smarter women came in and worked alongside me (it was a very small office) and all three quit in tears.  I didn't quit in tears, but I had already cleaned out my desk and was just waiting.  When the Revolving B*tch started in on me one afternoon, I just took my key to the office off my key ring flipped it in the middle of the room, and said "Goodbye.".And walked out the door.

She had the nerve to call me two days later to ask if I was still going to baby-sit her cocker spaniel that weekend.  I had no arguments with Beanie, so I did...as long as I didn't have to see Mrs. B*tch.  Her husband met me and paid me.

As far as I know there are no unions for "white collar" workers in small offices.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:32am

Felaine, what a life you have had! It must have been exciting and I imagine you met many different types of people. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 24, 2014 at 12:24am

Patricia, I know what you write is true, however, Loren makes the case that I am trying to: 

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

Unions, like democracy, is only as good as the people involved. 

Perhaps you have a different idea of how to equalize power between workers and management. With an excess of workers applying for each job, and with people not having the skills needed to perform the jobs for this time in history, and not having resources to upgrade their skills, what options do you see? 

A well informed working person knows what skills are needed and takes the initiative to learn those skills. 

Typically, low skill jobs, often in the service industry, do not pay living wages and therefore workers have to take the initiative to develop those skills that pay well. If they failed to get a good public education, or if they failed to apply themselves in free public school, who is to blame for their economic problems? 

I have very little interest in those who did not apply themselves in school. They have no one to blame but themselves. 

For those who did apply themselves in school, learned to be a mechanic, or nurse, or technician, or plumber, or electrician, and who perform at responsible levels, they should be able to earn a living wage. These people, when exploited, need to unionize. 

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 11:46pm

Goodbye to Sochi!  (I'm the 5th girl on the left)

Comment by Patricia on February 23, 2014 at 9:59pm

I feel unions have over-stepped & have become dictatorships. My husband was in the union of course during his working days, but he wouldn't go to meetings because he said they were all full of bs.

Comment by Loren Miller on February 23, 2014 at 9:49pm

Joan, a long time ago, I determined the following:

  • In the face of enlightened, personnel-oriented management, unions are unnecessary.
  • In the face of antagonistic, profit-oriented management, unions are MANDATORY.

And from where I sit, I've seen entirely too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 23, 2014 at 9:36pm

Unions have a terrible reputation, well earned, for not representing their members and scamming the money into their own pockets. 

That said, workers need unions to equalize power with owners of wealth. One carpenter, or one skater or one writer has so little influence over what happens, the corruption continues. When the union is corrupt, then something more needs to happen. Keeping track of statements made and decisions rendered, is the beginning of fighting any dispute. A good investigative reporter knows how to do these things, as does a good lawyer. Both can be allies for the worker.   

Comment by sk8eycat on February 23, 2014 at 9:02pm

Some figure skating history...starring a woman I knew well, even though I never took lessons from her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kW4bSdx2o

Her determination and courage were phenomenal...and so was her sense of humor.

Comment by Patricia on February 23, 2014 at 8:49pm

I watched figure skating, curling, slopestyle, halfpipe, skiing, jumping, speed skating, skeleton, luge, bobsled......

Comment by booklover on February 23, 2014 at 8:08pm
That's cool Patricia! I'm glad The Olympics went well! I love to watch the figure skaters. :)
 

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