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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jan 22. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by booklover on September 21, 2014 at 7:58pm
You went through so much, Felaine! But you sure turned out to be a cool person! :)
Comment by sk8eycat on September 21, 2014 at 5:26pm

My parents were very social, liked to go camping, and travel till we moved here to Burbank when I was 5 (15 years after they were married.)  Dad's ambition was to start his own business and resign from Union Oil Co. (even though he was friends and a fraternity brother of the CEO.)  He did all that.

AND he "farmed" the extra land that was attached to the house until the city began surveying and dividing this neighborhood into standard lots. (Both my parents grew up on small farms.) 

Dad was NOT controlling...he and Mother worked things out between them without yelling, or animosity, as far as I know.  HOWEVER, he began drinking heavily when I was about 10 or 11; he was never mean or abusive...just stupid.  It nearly killed me because he was a brilliant man, and that's one of the many reasons I wanted a contract with ANY touring show ASAP.

SO....I was 20, and in Greenville, SC when I got a letter that the family had done an "intervention," and Dad was in a drying-out place.  He refused to have anything to do with AA, which is one reason I'm pretty sure he was a closeted atheist. 

Anyroad, he did dry out, and I left the show at the end of that year's tour, came home, went to work for him for 7 years....till he "fell off the wagon," and I ran away again.

So, yes, our family became dysfunctional, mother became bitter, and in February 1984, I was faced with the situation of having both parents in the hospital at the same time....Dad had to have vein grafts in both legs to relieve the gangrene and other complications of diabetes, and Mother had cancer all over her body...the worst was a tumor in her thigh bone.

I spent the next 9 years driving one or the other of them to doctors appointments and to the ER in the middle of the night.  In the summer of 1985 Dad had a massive left hemisphere stroke, and died that October.  Mother lived till July 1993...I was effing glad she was NOT here for the Northridge quake in January 1994....scary, scary, scary. It happened before the sun was above the horizon...just like the Sylmar quake.

But I have been knocking myself out trying to keep my head above water ever since then.  I'm tired of it all.  Or just plain tired.

*glub! glub!  glub!*

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 21, 2014 at 4:41pm

Felaine, Your story of your mother is interesting and reflects the challenges people had during that era. Scarlet fever took its toll on many families. That is another scourge we have under control, here.

Your mother, with her inquiring mind, may have seen beyond the confines of her life. I wonder if she ever doubted or called into question her faith. If she was locked into gender-role stereotypes, she could have felt hopeless. 

Your father probably had a very organized and systematic way of seeing and doing things. He may have had a sense of need to control. Accountants tend to need order.

Do you remember the personality tests we all had to take in high school to determine our career choices? That is what I am talking about; each person has a personality profile that tends to fit an occupational profile. 

I am not suggesting there was dysfunction in your home, but I am suggesting that the occupational choice of your father may be correlated with attitudes and behaviors that may have impacted your mother. An accountant needs to be compulsive about accuracy. Was he rigid with your mother? 

Your mother going back to reading the bible could imply a return to dependency and hope for a better afterlife.  

Of course I could be wrong, I have been before and I will be again. However, for me, the implication is to live fully, joyfully, interesingly, interdependently, in the now. There is no other life, nor is there a god who loves us and cares for us. There is no heaven where we will get a just reward. There is now, here. 

Comment by sk8eycat on September 21, 2014 at 3:20pm

Ian, I loved Charles Schulz for many reasons, but the two most important ones were his love of ice skating, and the fact that he was a non-believer.
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If you all want a good laugh, read the "rapture & heaven" sequences in Robert A. Heinlein's JOB: a Comedy of Justice.  NOT my favorite R.A.H. novel, but those parts are hilarious.... heaven is a gigantic bureaucracy, and the snobbish original inhabitants (angels) are disgusted with the sudden influx of rude and crude "creatures" that need things like plumbing and hamburger joints (humans)

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 21, 2014 at 3:16pm

Ian, that Peanuts cartoons is priceless. Exactly what happens to some. 

For me, I slept away 2013 and during the summer I slept inside at night and in the garden during the day. Now that I am recovered, I realize the Earth kept turning, people were able and willing to take the responsibility off me, and some of the things needed to be let go. 

Now, I am sitting in my garden, I paid all my bills, Arranged for repairs for the roof and blow out the pipes in Oct. I'm cooking a full meal tonight and all is well with my world. 

Including, Cary took a photo that I requested of him this morning and as I sit here, a squirrel climbed the huge sunflower stalks looking for ripe sunflower seeds. He watched me as he explored, just 10 feet away from me. All of a sudden I heard a "CRACK" and down went one of large stalks. The squirrel looked as surprised as I felt. 

I enjoy the critters and their adventures. I think the hummingbirds have left for this season, I haven't seen one for several days. With the billions and billions of flowers in my garden, they would fight like gladiators over one blossom. Isn't nature interesting? 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on September 21, 2014 at 3:04pm

If the rapture is anything like getting selected for school sports teams, I'm screwed.  I always got picked last. 

Comment by booklover on September 21, 2014 at 2:58pm
LOL, Ian! I'm sure none of us here made the cut!
Comment by Ian Mason on September 21, 2014 at 2:26pm

Comment by Ian Mason on September 21, 2014 at 2:25pm

Joan/Felaine: having worked in elderly care for 18 years, I've met quite a few people who "enjoy" their illnesses. It means that they're no longer responsible for anything. I myself used the same tactic when I was active as an alcoholic - "I suffer from depression,therefore no-one can expect me to stop drinking".

A pictorial version, by Schutz:

Comment by sk8eycat on September 21, 2014 at 4:49am

Joan, my mother was born in 1905...the middle of 8 children...5 boys and 3 girls.  (Two of them died before age 18...scarlet fever)

  She quit school after the 8th grade to help feed the family. but she never stopped learning...married an MBA from USC (I think he became a closeted atheist somewhere along the line)....was an avid reader. was as thrilled as I was by the Apollo moon landings....but she was also something of an Oklahoma fundie...but stopped dragging me to Sunday School when I complained about not having a "day off" when I was about 10 or 11.

In her later years she went back to reading the buybull, and listened to Gene Scott on a tiny radio (with earphones.)  I don't know if she was more perturbed by my atheism (I made no secret of it) or my sister's JW obsessions.  She specifically said "NO funeral" when it became obvious that her body was failing...

We had no service for Dad, either.  (Pissed off his sister, who married "the son of a preacher-man.") And I paid off my membership with the Neptune Society years ago.

And that's the troooooooththththth,

 

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