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Comment by Clarence Dember on July 18, 2011 at 6:39pm
Hi Nathalie. On the one hand, the constitution says that representation and direct tax shall be apportioned. On the other hand the 16th amendment says Congress shall have the power to tax all incomes without regards to origin of the income. Nowhere does the constitution or the amendments ratify a John Maynard Keynes amendment to expand the economy till debasing the currency is the only remedy against default.
Comment by Natalie A Sera on July 18, 2011 at 5:09pm
Clarence,

I truly don't understand your thinking. Even the constitution says something to the effect of promoting the public welfare. There are things no individual can do well, if at all. But we have what is probably  one of the best highway systems in the world because Eisenhower authorized it. And the Amish certainly rely on each other -- they accomplish many of their needs as a community -- ever hear of a barn-raising? I don't think any of are advocating "singling out the affluent as cash cows", but on the other hand, we do think they should pay their fair share, and the fact is that they can afford it far better than the working poor and the jobless. The Bush tax cuts were a monumental mistake, and the poor may now be forced to pay for them. What's wrong with this picture?

Comment by Clarence Dember on July 18, 2011 at 4:30pm
Hi Kit. It seems government can only provided what it takes. Government does badly what rational self interest and ability does well. The problem as I see it is refraining from singling out every affluent person as a cash cow for your great society. If you think you can do it by scuttling volition or lambasteing the self reliant you haven't heard of the Amish.
Comment by Kit Blumenstein on July 18, 2011 at 3:06pm

Indeed Clarence it does involve the end of lobbies as they currently exist.

We continue to elect the wealthy and wonder why they do not represent our interests.  Take the time to find those in one's own community, perhaps a small business owner, and elected honest people who have a career and lack the desire to gain wealth from a long term career in the political arena. 

If your question was an attempt at sarcasm it fell flat.

My ideas are not that idealistic, rather come from reading the biographies and auto biographies of those who we call the "founding fathers."  Along with many hours of reading both American and world history.  Though not my major, most certainly of great interest.

 @ Grace - a very good point.

 


Comment by Clarence Dember on July 18, 2011 at 2:50pm
Kit; for what you think government should do singularly as you put it requires removal of lobbiests, corporate welfare and back room dealing. Would you have any money to exchange for what you would like or should multinational corporations just leave poor Congress men and women alone?
Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on July 18, 2011 at 2:44pm
Republicans like to act like the EPA, OSHA, FDA,  National Park Service, VA, SS and SSDI are all eating up the taxpayers money.  However, they never mention the largest part of the budget seems to go to defense.  A lot of that money doesn't go to paying and caring for military members and their families, but rather to defense contractors who seem to often not even provide the goods and services they are being paid for.
Comment by Kit Blumenstein on July 18, 2011 at 2:38pm

I don't see the government as a surrogate parent, rather as an entity that has the singular task of fulfilling the expected social contract between the citizens and their government. 

@Alysn and Natalie - I think we forget that we pay taxes not for the subsidization of either wealthy individuals nor wealthy corporations.  We are lulled into believing the nonsense that by not paying taxes these two groups will employ and revitalize our economy; were that factual then after more then ten years of this continued avoidance of taxation - where are the jobs?  Oh yeah, in China, India and southeast Asia etc.  We were deceived into using our economic quaternary as nothing more then a debt intensive and credit heavy fallacy.  Now we are paying - that is some are paying while others continue to feed from the trough leaving few scraps behind.  We must find a way to end the belief that we need more and more and to gain that "created" need we depend on credit.



Comment by Clarence Dember on July 18, 2011 at 1:26pm
I think that everyone who searches for ways to leverage their value can support themselves.
Government is not a surrogate parent for adults except in s fascist dictatorship.
Comment by Natalie A Sera on July 18, 2011 at 10:26am
About the 50% tax rate -- I live on a modest fixed income, but who knows if the trade-off would leave me with the same standard of living. I actually don't mind paying taxes if they are being used for worthwhile things, and not subsidizing the wealthy. I also resent those wealthy who are unwilling to pick up their share of the burden, but rather trying to harm the most vulnerable members of our society. They can darn well afford more taxes, and it really bugs me when a conservative yaps on and on about how we need budget cuts, but never a word about raising revenues. The "no new taxes" pledge is one of the most damaging and ugly ideas the Republicans have come up with lately, but there are lots of others. OK, flame-retardant suit on!
Comment by Meddlesome on July 18, 2011 at 7:42am

@gary, a quick google tells me "Ulla Skytte" is on facebook ;)

@Ian, I Married a Danish girl :)

@Kit, You forgot Paternal leave !

 

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